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Happy Impeachment! Next step is removal. (Trump thread 98)

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TheClaws · 24/12/2019 00:12

In the last thread, Trump was impeached by Congress. Now the question is when the articles will be sent to the Senate for Trial, as - at this stage - there is no guarantee from Mitch McConnell of a fair trial. Trump clings to his belief that his call to Zelensky was “perfect”.

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3732056-Trump-and-the-Giant-Impeachment-Trump-thread-97

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Lordfrontpaw · 11/01/2020 09:19

At least the buggers are apologising and holding their hands up. America and Russia didn’t do this with their ‘accidents’ shooting down passenger planes (with all foreign nationals onboard).

How bloody awful. They wouldn’t have been jittery if that assassination (to divert from impeachment by that ill man) hasn’t happened. Dreadful chain of events.

God knows what will happen to those who made the call to press the button. The captain of the ship who shot down the Iranian passenger plane (siding against Iran in the Iran/Iraq war) was awarded the Legion of Merit for his “outstanding service” during operations in the Persian Gulf. The Iranians here will probably not see daylight.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 11/01/2020 09:21

Yes Sad We now know that Iran did fire the missile but that orange idiot effectively "gave the order".

Like a PP upthread - my disgust and anger are now more focused on that enabling bag of sick called McConnell. Angry

Lordfrontpaw · 11/01/2020 09:22

Who is really in charge? I really think that trump is incapacitated and being played by someone. Like Regan in the early dementia years.

Lweji · 11/01/2020 09:58

I don't think he is incapacitated as such or recognises his own limitations like W.

Lordfrontpaw · 11/01/2020 10:01

I don’t think he’s quite aware to be honest. I suspect they dose him up and point him at the autoque.

RhinoskinhaveI · 11/01/2020 10:07

being played by someone
When Trump is freestyling/ jamming at his rallies, when the small part of his brain that is self aware is switched off the amphetamines kick in and the bile in his unconscious spews out....
perhaps there is someone who monitors this, picks out the bits that can be useful to the overarching agenda and then steers trump into actions that are in line with some shit that he wants to do anyway?

Lordfrontpaw · 11/01/2020 10:09

‘Self awareness I guess you mean in the literal and not emotional sense of the word!

As father jack said ‘are those my feet???’

RhinoskinhaveI · 11/01/2020 11:19

Wrt self-aware...really I'm thinking of those experiments that we use to find out if animals are self-aware, like does an elephant recognise itself in the mirror or does it think it's another elephant.
I realise it's very insulting to elephants to use them to illustrate a point I'm trying to make about trump
sorry elephants
💖🐘💖

Mockers2020Vision · 11/01/2020 11:29

The US paid over $130 million in compensation for the Iranian Airbus.

Lordfrontpaw · 11/01/2020 11:44

To who - and did they actually receive it? have they released the money and assets they seized after the revolution? Why decorate the captain rather than prosecuting it demoting him?

Frankiestein402 · 11/01/2020 11:56

God knows what will happen to those who made the call to press the button

Given Iran had the maturity to balance their response to trump's strike and to 'fess up relatively quickly to the mistake I suspect they'll be OK

Roussette · 11/01/2020 11:58

Chillingly familiar both in US and now UK....

"For 20 years, Hungary was a functioning democracy; today, it’s a corrupt oligarchy.

In nine short years since he was elected in 2010, Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, now fabulously wealthy by Hungarian standards and an oligarch himself, succeeded in transforming his nation’s government from a functioning European democracy into an autocratic and oligarchic regime of single-party rule.

Orbán took over the Fidesz Party, once a conventional “conservative” political party, with the theme of restoring “Christian” purity and making “Hungary great again.” His rallies regularly draw tens of thousands.

He campaigned on building a wall across the entirety of Hungary’s southern border, a promise he has largely kept.

He altered the nation’s Constitution to do what we’d call gerrymandering and voter suppression, ensuring that his party, Fidesz, would win more than two-thirds of the votes in pretty much every federal election well into the future.

He’s now packed the courts so thoroughly that legal challenges against him and his party go nowhere.

His party has rewritten grade school textbooks to say that refugees entering the country are a threat because “it can be problematic for different cultures to coexist.” Using this logic, he has locked up refugee children in cages.

When the Hungarian Helsinki Committee said “the indefinite detention of many vulnerable migrants, including families with small children, is cruel and inhuman,” Orbán said the influx of Syrian refugees seeking asylum “poses a security risk and endangers the continent’s Christian culture and identity.” He added, “Immigration brings increased crime, especially crimes against women, and lets in the virus of terrorism.”

Five years and one week before American Nazis rallied in Charlottesville and murdered Heather Heyer, a group of some 700 right-wing “patriots” held a torchlight parade that ended in front of the homes of Hungary’s largest minority group, chanting “We will set your homes on fire!” Orbán’s police watched without intervening. In 2013, Zsolt Bayer, one of the founders of Orbán’s party, had called the Roma “animals… unfit to live among people.” Orbán refused to condemn him or the anti-Roma violence.

Orbán has handed government contracts to his favored few, elevating an entire new class of pro-Orbán businesspeople who are in the process of cementing control of the nation’s economy, as those who opposed him have lost their businesses, been forced to sell their companies, and often fled the country.

Virtually the entire nation’s press is now in the hands of oligarchs and corporations loyal to him, with talk radio and television across the country singing his praises daily. Billboards and social media proclaim his patriotism. His media allies are now reaching out to purchase media across the rest of Europe to spread his right-wing message.

Last year he began dismantling the Hungarian Science Academy, replacing or simply firing scientists who acknowledge climate change, which he has called “left-wing trickery made up by Barack Obama.”

The world, in particular the EU, has watched this nine-year political nightmare with increasing alarm, and even the EU’s 2015 and 2018 attempts to essentially impeach Orbán have backfired, increasing his two reelection margins as his handmaids in the media proclaim him a victim of a European “deep state” and meddling foreigners, particularly George Soros (who, ironically, once paid for a young Orbán to study in Britain).

While he blasts Soros and his own country’s Jewish leaders with anti-Semitic tropes, he was feted by Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, who called him “a true friend of Israel.” Orbán replied, “A Hungarian patriot and a Jewish Israeli patriot will always find something in common.”

In May, the same month Rudy Giuliani said he had a former Ukrainian prosecutor willing to testify that Joe Biden was corrupt, Donald Trump invited Orbán to the White House for a state visit; Orbán has been one of Trump’s two primary sources of information about how Ukraine opposed or tried to sabotage the U.S. president.

In a rally three months before his White House meeting, Orbán said that countries that accept refugees are producing “mixed-race nations.”

Orbán is now back in Hungary, ruthlessly using his own nation’s diplomatic and criminal justice systems to aid foreign criminal oligarchs, having hired his own local versions of Bill Barr and Mike Pompeo.

Before you say, “It can’t happen here,” you may want to make a trip to Budapest."

lionheart · 11/01/2020 12:11

This all makes Nancy Reagan and her astrological charts sound like a sensible solution to presidential impairment.

Mockers2020Vision · 11/01/2020 12:21

In February 1996, the United States agreed to pay Iran US$131.8 million in settlement to discontinue a case brought by Iran in 1989 against the U.S. in the International Court of Justice relating to this incident, together with other earlier claims before the Iran-United States Claims Tribunal. US$61.8 million of the claim was in compensation for the 248 Iranians killed in the shoot-down: $300,000 per wage-earning victim and $150,000 per non-wage-earner. In total, 290 civilians on board were killed, 38 being non-Iranians and 66 being children. It was not disclosed how the remaining $70 million of the settlement was apportioned, though it was close to the value of a used A300 at the time.

Belated. Grudging, and without a formal apology. Vice-President then President Bush may have been unduly protective being an ex-Navy pilot himself.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 11/01/2020 12:35

Well, that explains why they shot down the plane: the Revolutionary Guard had been told that civilian flights had been cancelled, so they assumed anything in the sky was a potential enemy if it was not one of their own. Horrible for them as well as for the families; the one I heard on the World Service said he wished he were dead rather than such a thing. Hyperbole, but still.

I didn't see why they would do it, and you were right upthread: accident. One that could only happen because of the heightened alertness caused by Trump's murder of one of their top men.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 11/01/2020 13:27

The imperfect vessel: why white evangelicals see Trump as King Cyrus
The president is about as far from a model of Christian piety as it is possible to imagine but religious support have reached for a biblical parallel to justify their backing
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/11/donald-trump-evangelical-christians-cyrus-king?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

A sustained effort by influential Christian voices to justify Trump’s personal misdeeds and political cruelty has led to the frequent portrayal of Trump as a flawed vessel for God’s will. In particular, Trump has been compared to King Cyrus, who, according to the Bible, liberated the Jews from Babylonian captivity, despite himself being a Persian ruler.
...

At a campaign rally in Florida last week to launch a push for evangelical support Trump was introduced on stage by the Miami mega-church pastor Guillermo Maldonado as Cyrus. “Father, we give you the praise and honor and we ask you that he can be the Cyrus to bring reaffirmation, to bring change into this nation, and all the nations of the Earth will say America is the greatest nation of the Earth,” Maldonado said.

Rank-and-file evangelicals have also embraced the imperfect vessel concept, and Wallnau is now selling Trump-Cyrus “prayer coins” – the king is in the background, a brooding profile of Trump is in the foreground – for $45 a coin.

RhinoskinhaveI · 11/01/2020 13:32

So first we have the incident at the funeral where there is a stampede and people are trampled to death, then a plane is shot down in error
a theme of people wildly lashing out as if they have lost their minds and hurting themselves?
Why would there be a stampede at the funeral? When Princess Diana died we didn't stampede and kill each other we laid flowers and teddy bears

RhinoskinhaveI · 11/01/2020 13:35

Frequent portrayal of trump as an imperfect vessel for god's will
USA - the old testament version 😟

Mockers2020Vision · 11/01/2020 13:48

Poor crowd control and religious zeal among the mourners. It was the same at Khomeni's funeral where they grabbed the coffin and the lid fell off.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 11/01/2020 18:28

Trivial- yes. A bitchy link - possibly.
But she's complicit just like Ivanka so all's fair.

Trump Brags That Wife Melania Was ‘One of the Most Successful Models’ in History — But Was She?
www.politicalflare.com/2020/01/trump-brags-that-wife-melania-was-one-of-the-most-successful-models-in-history-but-was-she/

lionheart · 11/01/2020 20:08

The paper trail that is attached to her 'Einstein' visa must be a work of fiction.

Lordfrontpaw · 11/01/2020 20:16

RhinoskinhaveI - they are far more ‘heart on sleeve’ - we’ve seen Obama cry in public (tears rolling not toddler league snoggers weeping). Some other part of the world are the same - they probably think we are all stiff upper lip types who don’t care.

I think it was more a crush than a stampede - so many people crowding forwards that people just get crushed. It’s happened here at concerts, cinema and football games.