To think that calling transwomen Male terms is against guidelines?

[ChilledBee]

That said, it’s clear that most trans people find the use of pronouns or names that they or others have consciously rejected, to be hurtful and would therefore struggle to engage in a discussion with those who insist on using them. The same is true of the expression ‘Trans-Identified Male’ or ‘TIM’. Likewise, many feminists are affronted by the term ‘cis’ and ‘terf’, so using these terms will make civil debate less likely. As we’ve said, context is everything – but it’s likely that going forward our moderation team will delete these expressions

So this is what Mumsnet say yet they allow threads which refer to the possibility of trans women using a changing room as "blokes". If I were a Trans woman considering giving my opinion around my presence in female changing rooms, hearing everyone refer to people like me as a man or a bloke would "hurtful" and "I'd struggle to engage". Why is this allowed, Mumsnet?

From your post, what about the N word then, where do you stand with those freely chucking it about?
Genuinely curious.
I don't get why it's OK to discriminate against some but not others.

Gimme your twitter name cause this is getting too nastyfor MN

I'm not sure who that's aimed at, is it me as I've replied to a few of your comments?
I could but be warned I'd be dead shit boring if you were expecting a trans word of wars lol

Deflection

@WotchaTalkinBoutWillis

Well for a start, you can't discriminate against something that isn't a protected characteristic...

HTH

Ain't your Sex based bs I'm interested in. It's your use of racist tropes in a totally unassociated discussion.

Deflection

No, not at all - but interesting you can't even begin to answer and just cry deflection instead.

It's your use of racist tropes in a totally unassociated discussion

Nope.
It's not totally unassociated, is it?
When it's a discussion about people discriminated against,
Wasn't me who brought up in the first place, but agreed with as a valid point.
Racist, no
Transphobic, no
Neither acceptable.
Not conflating the two

@WotchaTalkinBoutWillis

but interesting you can't even begin to answer

Ha! You mean like when PPs asked for an example of mners who stated that all tw were a threat etc.
You've lost all credibility here. If you're going to pander to men and chastise those who reject that bullshit, at least formulate a coherent argument.

When it's a discussion about people discriminated against

Jesus Christ, do you have any idea what the Equality Act actually says!?

It looks like a no from here really...

Ha! You mean like when PPs asked for an example of mners who stated that all tw were a threat etc.
What is this referring to? Nope, lost me too lol

There is a whole thread about M+S changing rooms where they readily refer to trans women as blokes or men.

Is it not more that they are pointing out that the MnS policy allows any old bloke/man to enter the women’s changing rooms just because he says he feels like it?

A woman took her daughter to M&S for her first bra fitting and there was a man trying on bras in the changing room so they left.

People are angry because women are upset that yet another space has been taken away from us.

There's lots of posters on MN who do say all transwomen pose a threat, never be women, always be a bloke whatever they do..... from What you talking bout willies

followd by Ha! You mean like when PPs asked for an example of mners who stated that all tw were a threat etc.
What is this referring to? Nope, lost me too lol

Yeah

You are not doing that great. But hey people are talking to you, so yay you're not lonely tonight

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis

Where? Show one?

Omigod grin
Just no.
It's there if you are able to or want to see it lol
I could name several revered posters who have made it ample clear but I ain't gonna.
What's the point though? If you don't see it, fair enough - need to see it for yourself. I can't do it so no, I'm not linking to one lol

Sorry you can't get your head around your own posts. HTH

Women=Women
Transwomen=Not women or you would use the same words

Do not deny the existence of transwomen by calling them women

You're done -what you talking about willies

You're done

also hate hearing MNers talk about ‘bepenised’ people etc.

Why? If it's just a neutral body part that anyone can have, after all?

Absolutely agree, OP. And when you point out that they shouldn't be doing it, all you get is the "biology" argument.

No, not biology rather than dubious ideology! Heaven forbid.

Why do posters need to refer to males and females?

Because the people you are referring to aren't actually women ie the majority accepted meaning of adult human females so we need to be clear who is actually male and who is female. You know, to uphold women's sex based rights?

Sorry you can't get your head around your own posts. HTH

can completely get my head round my own posts, ta much so.
READ what I put. Actually read.

We all know what is meant by TW or TM

No. People don't. Plus I'm not going to pretend to a belief I don't have.

Why should TW have to be referred to as male for the sake of some people who are uneducated?

Because MTF trans people are male. That's the reason. It sounds like you are the uneducated one, frankly.

I find it extraordinarily hurtful to have to refer to a male person as a woman, as if my actual biological reality should be reduced to a feeling. That literally does erase me as a person. My feelings are no less important than those of any male.

THIS

Because MTF trans people are male

No shit!!!
Da'funk?
Presumably you mean biologically.
Why can't they be seen as tranwomen though?
Not women for the pedants, but transwomen?

Yes, if the person on the receiving end of it finds it derogatory.

Reality can be a bummer for many people. Only some have special ideas about what others should call them (and themselves!) instead of the neutral realistic terms that best fit them.

No shit!!!

That's all I need from you. We all know that they are, and you know, and I know you know. That's all that matters.