To think that calling transwomen Male terms is against guidelines?

[ChilledBee]

That said, it’s clear that most trans people find the use of pronouns or names that they or others have consciously rejected, to be hurtful and would therefore struggle to engage in a discussion with those who insist on using them. The same is true of the expression ‘Trans-Identified Male’ or ‘TIM’. Likewise, many feminists are affronted by the term ‘cis’ and ‘terf’, so using these terms will make civil debate less likely. As we’ve said, context is everything – but it’s likely that going forward our moderation team will delete these expressions

So this is what Mumsnet say yet they allow threads which refer to the possibility of trans women using a changing room as "blokes". If I were a Trans woman considering giving my opinion around my presence in female changing rooms, hearing everyone refer to people like me as a man or a bloke would "hurtful" and "I'd struggle to engage". Why is this allowed, Mumsnet?

Ffs. I’m ex-military and did exactly the same job as my male colleagues. I also got accused of cheating in my fitness tests (because some of the blokes (!) found it REEAAALLY hard to believe that a woman could be as fast and as strong as they were) and frequently got asked if I had only joined to find a husband. Fuck off Fuck off fuck off.
Thanks for continuing the work of the patriarchy.
Notwithstanding this bullshit, I definitively know that I’m a female, because I had to sign a contract saying if I got married or pregnant they could ask me to leave.
Yeah. Add that to the fact that the first ‘woman‘ on the frontline had a penis, and that as a female bodied person I was told I couldn’t serve on the mountain rescue team, and it becomes extremely noticeable which way the favourable wind blows, eh?
Transwomen are male. It’s always the females that get fucked over.
Sex is absolutely the defining factor. Gender is a heaping pile of bollocks and I don’t give a single shiny shit if someone feels a bit stressed because they have adopted it as their belief system and I refuse to play make-believe.
I’m fucking GI Joe on that stupid chart and I am a female. I don’t give a toss if some men want to wear dresses and simper. Be my guest. Fill your boots (or your size fucking 12 jimmy choos). You do you. Just don’t ask me to lie and tell me the truth is against the law. This ain’t Oceania.

Yeah. Add that to the fact that the first ‘woman‘ on the frontline had a penis, and that as a female bodied person I was told I couldn’t serve on the mountain rescue team, and it becomes extremely noticeable which way the favourable wind blows, eh?
Transwomen are male. It’s always the females that get fucked over

Oh god, please don't tell me the first recorded "female" on the front lines was actually a transwoman? Why on earth weren't you allowed to serve on the MR team?? Can they not fucking see that they do actually get special preferences??

Oh god, please don't tell me the first recorded "female" on the front lines was actually a transwoman?

Yes, and it was someone who'd only just started hormones a couple of months before IIRC.

Yes, and it was someone who'd only just started hormones a couple of months before IIRC.
That actually sounds really risky. What other just started courses of serious body-changing medicine are soldiers allowed on the front line with? Shouldn't they wait a bit, see how their bodies take to the treatment, check they still pass the fitness test, that sort of thing? Though telling that they didn't feel the need to in the light of the campaign for TW in women's sport.

So Tabothas a female has to sign to agree they can be kicked out of the military if they marry, but a male who marries doesn't?!!!

Does that sound like sexist discrimination to everyone?

I thought this was illegal now?

You joined to find a husband? Jeez dont they rate themselves.

Yes, I remember that male who'd only just started using female hormones.

I just want to say the first woman on the front line was a woman. She had XX chromosomes, and all that goes with that.

Is telling the truth illegal? I thought justice was based on truth? Just checking. Truth is first bio woman on the frontline was a woman. Its criminal to be distorting the facts to the point of intent to deceive whole nations.

Oh god, please don't tell me the first recorded "female" on the front lines was actually a transwoman?

Chloe Allen. Article from September 2016:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/1799205/sex-change-soldier-is-britains-first-female-to-fight-on-front-line-after-being-born-a-boy/

Chloe, who officially changed her name last month, now sports long, polished fingernails and is growing her hair into a feminine bob.

Until July this year, historic rules banned women from Ground Close Combat units where troops had to “close with and kill” the enemy.

Even once the regulations were changed, the first female infantryman was not expected to be recruited to the ranks until 2018.

But in line with the Army’s ­forward-thinking employment rules, which allow a “case by case” approach, it was decided Chloe could stay in her unit.

She now makes history as the first — and so far only — female in­fantry soldier since the Army began in 1660.

General Sir James Everard, Commander of the Field Army — that is all the fighting units of the British Army — said: “I’m delighted to have our first woman serving in a Ground Close Combat unit.

The picture says it all.

She now makes history as the first — and so far only — female in­fantry soldier since the Army began in 1660.

Or, alternatively: Chloe doesn't make any history as he continues the line of male-only infantry soldiers since the Army began in 1660.

Anything else is simply false.

"female in­fantry soldier"

As I understand it, "female" is a biological term for woman, based on the fact that they have XX chromosomes, so the statement above is incorrect, false according to science.

It is. And law. Only biological males with a GRC can lay claim to the legal fiction status of "female". The majority of MTF trans people are legally male.

Chloe had not long before started the nebulous "transition" process, so was highly unlikely to have a GRC which requires a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria plus two years living "as a woman".

@Ereshkigal

two years living "as a woman".

Whatever that actually means when you are missing the single necessary component of womanhood i.e the xx chromosome

Well, exactly.

To be clear, yes, they have had to change the rules and females no longer have to sign that they will leave if they get married/ pregnant - that was as a direct result of women using equality legislation to claim an awful lot of money after having abortions so that they didn’t lose their jobs, or having to leave their jobs because they got pregnant.
Interestingly, not possible to claim for abiding by the rules and using bomb proof contraception because your job prohibited it.

The mountain rescue team thing was odd. They claimed it was because the wives and girlfriends wouldn’t like it. I actually coerced one of the guys to take me out on the hill and he was somewhat confused by my competence.

I think they do accept women now. Although I gather there were some difficulties at first.

I spent a while doing gender research. The soldiers were always the first ones to come forward to take part. Ethics clearance was an absolute minefield, as members of the military are supposed (were to? Haven’t checked recently) to be treated as vulnerable persons for the purposes of ethics committee. The pp who questioned the rationale of allowing people in this position, newly drugged, and considering surgery, access to high powered weapons at both home and abroad is quite right. There are of course many good reasons for the number of transgender males serving, one being access to fast and free ‘affirming’ healthcare. The rhetoric in the US of trans-patriotism would die fairly quickly without the access to
‘confirmation’ surgery.