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To think that Martina Navratilova should NOT lose her job at the BBC and that the BBC is biased?

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TeamNavratilova · 18/02/2019 23:00

On Sunday, Martina Navratilova had an article published in the Sunday Times, giving her views on the inclusion of transwomen (biological males who identify as being women) in women’s sport:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-rules-on-trans-athletes-reward-cheats-and-punish-the-innocent-klsrq6h3x?shareToken=45bc9997e063aaf79646a7f12a7363a6

The BBC subsequently decided to have a discussion item on this on 5 Live and invited Dr Nicola Williams from Fair Play for Women - fairplayforwomen.com - to speak on Martina’s side of the argument along with Rachel McKinnon (a male-bodied cyclist who identifies as a woman and now holds a cycling world title in women’s cycling).

Rachel McKinnon refused to appear on the show if Dr Williams was on so the BBC’s response was to uninvite Dr Williams and instead interview Rachel McKinnon along with another trans sportsperson who agreed with Rachel. The other side of the argument (along with all facts about the physical differences between male and female bodies which Dr Williams could have provided) was not covered and both interviewees were asked (on the BBC, by a BBC presenter) whether the BBC should fire Martina to which they both replied yes: twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1097417280084951040 McKinnon has continued to argue for this online.

AIBU to think that Martina should not lose her commentating job at the BBC for expressing her (considered, researched) views and that the BBC has behaved in a biased and unethical way, firstly, by only presenting one side of an argument on a discussion show and, secondly, by using the opportunity to put forward the idea that Martina should be sacked?

OP posts:
borntobequiet · 19/02/2019 07:01

Points of View still exists
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/24BYtfKJbd0Hdv3B6LhKcdd/air-your-views
This was the most extraordinary blunder by the BBC. Sometimes I wonder if there’s some reverse psychology going on but then remember they are far too woke and stupid for that.
McKinnon comparing an organisation called (so mildly!) Fair Play For Women to the KKK or the flat earth society is just...batshit.

HotpotLawyer · 19/02/2019 07:04

Ha! Weasel words from the BBC on their shameful ‘no platforming’ of Fair Play For Women.

McKinnon compared Fair Play For Women with the KKK! There is so much wrong with that. What a self absorbed idiot.

The Times coverage of this is so much better than the Guardian.

AnyOldPrion · 19/02/2019 07:06

R McKinnon said:

”Would you expect a black person to actively ‘debate’ a KKK member on civil rights? That’s analogous to what you’re asking me.”

Grin

Transperbole par excellence!

Public notice: The BBCs perspective has gone missing. If anyone sees it, please contact A. Woman, who wishes to reinstate it as soon as it is found.

PalmTree101 · 19/02/2019 07:10

Complained

Shameful that the BBC ‘no platform’ a respected sports women who has been nothing but open and courageous, whilst in the interests of (false) balance love to platform anti-climate change ‘scientists’ with equal prominence in debates. Fucktards.

SaturdayNext · 19/02/2019 07:11

YABU to base a thread on something the BBC itself hasn't said is going to happen.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 19/02/2019 07:15

As long as the men get their own way nothing else matters. Not good enough to be a champion Male sports person? Never mind pretend you’re a woman & take that title, the little women will know their place & accept it. It’s bloody disgusting

As Nancy says - Inadequate males, unable to succeed as athletes against other men, insist on competing against physically smaller, weaker women in sports where muscle mass and lower centre of gravity etc give them an advantage in order to make themselves feel big and powerful.

Wankers!

HotpotLawyer · 19/02/2019 07:20

“YABU to base a thread on something the BBC itself hasn't said is going to happen.”

The BBC invited two guests on to a show who were anti the views of Martina N. They specifically dis- invited a commentator with a different perspective. Bias.

The BBC interviewer then asked both guests ( they didn’t bring it up) whether Martina should be sacked. Replying to that = the discussion point of this thread.

So the OP is NBU.

Of course Martina should not be sacked. She expressed her opinion on an issue , as she has a right to do, and huge numbers of people have said they agree with her.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 19/02/2019 07:23

“YABU to base a thread on something the BBC itself hasn't said is going to happen.”

It has happened....

Charley50 · 19/02/2019 07:25

I can't believe they put a trans woman in Martina's place. How is that unbiased? And to even suggest sacking her as an option? Bloody hell, this has really gone too far now.

Charley50 · 19/02/2019 07:26

Just saw the link to complain. Will do this.

SaturdayNext · 19/02/2019 07:29

Since Martina Navratilova hasn't been sacked, no, it hasn't happened.

Springwalk · 19/02/2019 07:29

Outrageous again. The bbc wouldn’t dare sack we surely

Charley50 · 19/02/2019 07:29

I think SaturdayNext was being sarcastic.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 19/02/2019 07:31

Since Martina Navratilova hasn't been sacked, no, it hasn't happened.

Did you read the OP?

Charley50 · 19/02/2019 07:31

Sorry, not Martina, Dr Williams.

Horsemenoftheaclopalypse · 19/02/2019 07:33

Bloody outrageous

I have written my first ever compliant to the Beeb.

I’d urge others who agree to follow suit if you don’t speak up this shit will only continue

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 19/02/2019 07:35

OffCOM might be better, complaining to the BBC seems a bit pointless.

bellinisurge · 19/02/2019 07:35

Sacking a superhero for having a reasonable opinion. Nice.

Birdsgottafly · 19/02/2019 07:36

We are watching the demise of Women's participation in Sports.

We we be written out of history, as we once was.

The embracing of this shows how in important Women's Rights are to the World.

LizzieSiddal · 19/02/2019 07:37

Well they had a real go at Jenni Murray when she had the audacity to write in the Times that trans women were trans women rather than women. She got a formal warning iirc and there was a petition to get her sacked.

The BBC is run by mostly men who are so woke, it’s a wonder they manage to get out of bed in the morning without suffering a trauma.

AlaskanOilBaron · 19/02/2019 07:39

....the death knell of the BBC, perhaps?

Team Martina.

The BBC must go.

IamThereforeIdontIdentify · 19/02/2019 07:39

You only have to listen to the silence from Jenni Murray to know how the BBC works.

Navratilova will no doubt be sidelined. In fact, I hope she takes evidence, has discussions with Sky Sports, gets a great deal then quits, publishing all the BBCs "wokeness".

RebootYourEngine · 19/02/2019 07:40

This is ridiculous.

I will listen to the interview and put in an informed complaint.

If things like this continue I fear there will be a huge backlash against transgender people which will not end well.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 19/02/2019 07:42

Team Martina.

McKinnon is a cheating narcissistic scumbag.

AuntieCJ · 19/02/2019 07:51

Team Martina here as well.

Inadequate males, unable to succeed as athletes against other men, insist on competing against physically smaller, weaker women in sports where muscle mass and lower centre of gravity etc give them an advantage in order to make themselves feel big and powerful.

Brilliantly put.