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To be angry and feel the Scottish Gov’s Twitter header is an attack on women?

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Badmoonsarising · 27/11/2018 16:21

i’d like them to clarify exactly what their definition of “transphobic” is because it seems to have become a slur these days often aimed at anyone but mostly women who are critical of or question in any way the recent upsurge of identity politics. I just feel they’re doing a knee jerk, ignorant, unnecessary huge fuck you to women.

To be angry and feel the Scottish Gov’s Twitter header is an attack on women?
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VerbeenaBeeks · 06/12/2018 00:34

Just realised you've quoted and rolled with laughter at your own quote there.
That's a new one lol. Ookay.
*Datun Wed 05-Dec-18 23:18:08 Hyp, you won't get any answers. Honestly. Not a single one that makes any sense.

Scrumplestiltskin · 06/12/2018 00:54

VerbeenaBeeks why is there no point in you answering? I have read through the majority of the posts on this thread, and those questons/points I posed are directly in response to what you and others you agree with have said. I'm asking in good faith, and am happy to answer any questions you pose.
If you're not willing to engage however, why are you on this post?

VerbeenaBeeks · 06/12/2018 01:00

I am willing to engage and have been doing, if you don't answer right, the ridiculing starts.
Women. You're only ever your biology.
Blame people rolling with laughter at their own quotes for why people just don't bother. They want an echo chamber and the accepted right way of thinking.

Scrumplestiltskin · 06/12/2018 01:08

You haven't made any comment that I've seen that addresses the questions I've asked.
And as for:
"Women. You're only ever your biology."
I have to believe you're being deliberately obtuse. You don't genuinely think that GC feminists are saying that women are nothing but mindless reproductive organs, do you?

VerbeenaBeeks · 06/12/2018 01:10

If you read the thread, it is literally there. I am not making it up.
Women are women biology only, nothing else. Only defined by their body parts. It is literally there.

VerbeenaBeeks · 06/12/2018 01:11

One even said after me saying women only ever biology good well done you're getting it now

Scrumplestiltskin · 06/12/2018 01:14

You must be being deliberately obtuse.
That clearly means that what makes us women is our female biology.
Just as what makes an artist is someone who creates or has created art - that doesn't mean that's all the artist is.
It doesn't mean that's all the woman is.
It means that the facet of that human being that defines them as "woman" or "artist" is biology or art. They as an individual have many other facets though, however.

Ereshkigal · 06/12/2018 01:14

I think she might have been a little tongue in cheek Verbeena.

Ereshkigal · 06/12/2018 01:15

You must be being deliberately obtuse.

Yup, seems a fair assessment to me.

VerbeenaBeeks · 06/12/2018 01:17

Whatever, there no point answering your questions anyway as you might be genuinely asking but extreme posters who say no to all transwomen as men get out of our spaces certainly only have one way of answering and patronise and told you're wrong if you say anything outside of their script of men go away.
Read it. It's there.

VerbeenaBeeks · 06/12/2018 01:21

Seeing as she also said don't do it again over something I'd said as well as that, and then rolls with laughter over her own quotes I kind of doubt it was really.
You have to think "right" and bend over to the right way of thinking.
Err, no. Don't think so.

Ereshkigal · 06/12/2018 01:26

Pretty sure she quoted herself because you did exactly the same thing again, Verbeena. You are just repeating the same non argument,

VerbeenaBeeks · 06/12/2018 01:30

You what? I am only repeating as the same things keep getting said on loop.
Patronised, told you're wrong, try again till you answer right, roll with laughter at your own quote, yeah people aren't going to engage are they
As you want your little echo chamber.
One accepted way of thinking and no others.

Scrumplestiltskin · 06/12/2018 02:59

Personally I think you won't answer my questions because you can't answer my questions, VerbeenaBeeks.
And I'll ask again: Why are you commenting on this post if all you are going to do is be obtuse, take eye rolling sarcasm literally, disingenuously grovel and denigrate yourself, and refuse to engage in good faith?

VerbeenaBeeks · 06/12/2018 07:36

Think what you like, scrumple anyone who can read can see why there is absolutely no point trying to engage with some.

Raglansleeve · 06/12/2018 07:51

Verbena, I hope you don’t have daughters.

Women are not only our biology, but it is our biology which makes us vulnerable, and it is our biology which over the centuries has meant we couldn’t vote, own property, work at the jobs we wanted, earn a fair wage etc.

It is our biology which means the UN segregate refugee camps. Women are raped during conflict, or become sex slaves. Women are trafficked. Women die round the world in their thousands every year while pregnant or giving birth, or shortly thereafter. All this is down to our biology.

All the other things women are capable of, the scientists, artists, writers, bakers, gardeners, musicians, politicians - we are these things because we are human. Sometimes our biology may even influence how we go about our lives.

Think you’re being a bit goody, but can’t make up my mind if goady is less of a problem than being obtuse.

VerbeenaBeeks · 06/12/2018 07:58

Here we go, bring in my kids now as a guilt trip to think the same.
Nice one.

Raglansleeve · 06/12/2018 08:02

Nope, nothing to do with guilt tripping anyone (funny how you pick up on that bit of the post only and completely ignore the rest), but one of the things which made be worry about self Id was concern for daughters, nieces etc, girls and young women who will have to deal with this crap. Note, I said Self ID was an issue, not trans women.

Oh, and the Scottish Govt have a track record of bandwagon jumping.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 06/12/2018 08:03

I found this in my photos & just thought I'd chuck it in randomly. Anybody think there's a market for them?

To be angry and feel the Scottish Gov’s Twitter header is an attack on women?
VerbeenaBeeks · 06/12/2018 08:06

Really not funny how I pick up on that bit, if you read the rest you'll see why there is utterly no point attempting to answer the rest. Right now we're back to the middle of the whole circle loop, where it's " why won't you answer? Is it cos you is goady?" get suckered into answering and it starts up and goes round again.

VerbeenaBeeks · 06/12/2018 08:08

Think that cup of tea explains EXACTLY why people don't bother.
Look on the thread to see what she does. It's there for anyone capable of reading. One way of thinking or a head pat, and ridiculing.

Raglansleeve · 06/12/2018 08:08

Yet still you keep posting.........

Waits reply along the lines of ‘so you’re trying to silence people who don’t agree with you’..............

Ereshkigal · 06/12/2018 08:24

Think what you like, scrumple anyone who can read can see why there is absolutely no point trying to engage with some.

Oh yes I completely agree!

VerbeenaBeeks · 06/12/2018 08:29

Still I keep posting? Well yes, because I do actually engage. If it's not the accepted viewpoint, not one actually wants to listen.

VerbeenaBeeks · 06/12/2018 08:30

Our way of thinking or no thinking. Have a look why people don't bother. Assuming you can see why in the first place.
If you can't see, you're part of the problem.