To be angry and feel the Scottish Gov’s Twitter header is an attack on women?

[Badmoonsarising]

i’d like them to clarify exactly what their definition of “transphobic” is because it seems to have become a slur these days often aimed at anyone but mostly women who are critical of or question in any way the recent upsurge of identity politics. I just feel they’re doing a knee jerk, ignorant, unnecessary huge fuck you to women.

So saying Lily Madigan is male is not transphobic?

You don't want to listen so there is no point.
If it's getting repetitive just have a think why that might be. Asking the same things over and over and over again.
Til you answer right. Otherwise try again,

So saying Lily Madigan is male is not transphobic?

Who said that? As I know I didn't.
Can you seriously, seriously not read?
No, actually, don't answer. I honestly don't think you can see what was.

Nowhere have I said Lily Madigan is male. So if that was aimed at me, it wasn't me.

You said sex is not transphobic.

Is saying what sex someone is transphobic?

These are important questions.

If a transwomen doctor attends a female patient, should that patient be allowed to request a woman instead, or is that transphobic?

If a tranwoman attempts to enter a female loo, can women say no, you are male, or is that trabsphobic?

hypolyta You said sex is not transphobic. Is saying what sex someone is transphobic?

That's not what you said originally though.

Nice try.

Why are you asking me to help you out with knowing if you're being transphobic or not?
You either know when you are or you don't.
If you by your own admission don't know what is and isn't, well.... there you go.

Shall we try and clarify?

Is sex transphobic?

Is knowing what sex someone is transphobic?

Is saying what sex someone is transphobic?

If someone pretends to be the opposite sex and enters a space meant for the opposite sex, is calling them out transphobic?

Is refusing a transwoman doctor and asking for a woman instead transphobic?

Where is the line?

Of course I know what transphobia is.

Its saying no to a man. Just making it clear.

You either know or don't, if you don't know what transphobia is, well.... you're not going to know then are you as you won't believe it's real.
No point trying to help you out like you're asking if you really don't know.

Boom, you get it a little bit then. Back to that bit again of the discussion transwomen are only men and we're saying no to them, the men.
You don't accept transwomen as ever being women. Regardless of how much they transition.
Always men. You've said.

Hyp, you won't get any answers. Honestly. Not a single one that makes any sense.

Trans ideology has no answers and when people slavishly follow it to the letter, they get very unstuck.

I know it's tempting to try and squeeze some logic out of it. But even with someone who is logical, unlike this thread, you still won't get it.

Layla Moran says she can see into people's souls and that's how she knows. Dr Beth Jones reckons the only reason women are weaker than men is because they don't try hard enough and need to remove their 'psychological cap'.

And these are the people who are actually representing the trans ideology. Not some random on a chat forum.

datun Honestly. Not a single one that makes any sense

Because women are only ever their biology and their body parts. We know. You said. So nothing else will make sense to you.
You literally won't listen to anyone else's experiences as a woman, you don't want to hear it.
It must be so weird to be that rigid and SURE that you're right you block out and dismiss anything else being said.

You literally won't listen to anyone else's experiences as a woman, you don't want to hear it.

And yet, when asked, you insist it's already been said, we know, we won't listen, you told us, read the thread, I can't believe you're saying this, etc, etc.

When the only thing you said is that you have a 'sense of self'. But can't tell us how we can categorise on that basis.

As I said. It's nonsense.

Youre right Datun, Ive been asking these questions for years and never got any logical answers.

The only thing I have learnt is that when a woman says no, its transphobic.

Youre right Datun, Ive been asking these questions for years and never got any logical answers.

When people want to redefine categories but can't tell you what the definitions are you know there's something wrong. When they go off alarming about even being asked about the definitions and tell you that you're wrong to even question, you know it's nefarious.

This particular thread is just completely daft. It's got even less logic than your normal interaction with transactivists. But it does show up how cult like it is.

datun As I said. It's nonsense

As it's not your experience. Women are only biology. I know. You keep telling me which is why you won't listen to anything else.
You so right, we so stoopid. Bow down til you accept silly girl it's only biology.
Then it's there you go, well done, you're getting it now.
I think there's a word for that.

hpolyta The only thing I have learnt is that when a woman says no, its transphobic

Figures that's all you take away from what is being said. After all, it's all a big conspiracy to take over and shut up women after all.
K'in ell. What it must be like to live that paranoid.... just... wow.

datun When they go off alarming about even being asked about the definitions and tell you that you're wrong to even question

I haven't gone off alarming about asking the definitions, I have BEEN ANSWERING and have done NO SUCH THING to say you're wrong to even question.
What I actually did say at the beginning of the thread before it all started up is there's no point is there, as it's all define, define, why won't you define? Please try.
If that's the bit you were referring to as I didn't even say what you're saying I did.

Words need definitions.

Its how understand and communicate with each other.

Without definitions, words are meaningless.

Okay, some points and questions for trans supporters:

1.) If transwomen were female, then they wouldn't be TRANSwomen, they'd just be women. Being male is a necessary condition for someone to be a transwoman.

2.) Humans cannot change sex. That's a flat fact. You can argue that "gender" is more important and carries more weight than sex does, but you cannot argue that a male literally becomes a female through transition. They become feminised not female.

3.) If a sense of one's self specifically in regards to one's sex is what dictates gender, then; what causes that mechanism biologically? How does that explain trans people without (genital) dysphoria. How does that explain people whose sense of self is based entirely on our current biology and the experiences that causes, and nothing more?

4.) If being trans is based on a sense of self which cannot be externally observed, how do we know who is trans and who is not?

5.) How is it possible to have a sense of self that is not consistent with your material reality, without it being pathological?

6.) Is it worth possibly (probably/definitely) materially negatively affecting all non trans females, in order to validate 0.2% of male people.

No point even answering scrumple maybe someone else will get suckered in so the patronising backslapping stuff starts up with them instead.

When some on the thread have said "we're not saying no to women, we're saying no to men!"
referring to all transwomen, where do you go from there when some have admitted they will never accept them as women, whatever steps they take to transition?
Not everyone has a problem with transwomen.
Or biological women.
The whipping up of fearmongering and the "this is what they want to do to you" like it's all of them as a big problem is ridiculous on here.
Other extremist groups say that too, but some will never be able to admit that to themselves.

Hyp, you won't get any answers. Honestly. Not a single one that makes any sense.

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Oh look, rolly laughter emoticons to add now as well as patronising.