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AcrossthePond55 · 19/10/2018 18:15

I think so, mimi. The 'big' players (like Scrotus) always know exactly where the line is and how to stay on the legal side of it. And they also know how to insulate themselves with layer upon layer of people until no direct link exists to them if they actually choose to do something criminal. They aren't mafiosi or criminal gangs who deliberately choose to operate outside the law (like Gotti, Capone, et al) and trust to murder, blackmail, or bribery to shield themselves.

We may get some lower level people caught in illegality, but the big boys (or girls) will be able to point to themselves and say "Who, me? I didn't do anything! That person did it without my knowledge!".

I hope I'm wrong. I hope there's a smoking gun. But I'm just not holding my breath for it. I've certainly given up on the idea of impeachment. For me, the Blue Wave is all about going forward and being able to block Scrotus' and the GOP's agenda and hopefully being able to repeal and/or reinstate what they've already done.

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Gumpendorf · 19/10/2018 19:06

NEW: We have a sentencing date for Paul Manafort on the eight counts a jury in Virginia found him guilty on in August: Feb. 8 at 9am.

Manafort was in court in a wheelchair. His lawyer asked to expedite sentencing, saying Manafort had "significant" issues with his health

twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1053345229808590848

AcrossthePond55 · 19/10/2018 19:40

Article on issues surrounding Manafort sentencing. There are issues surrounding the dismissal of some/all of the charges the jury deadlocked on. The Special Prosecutor's office wants the option to re-file the charges later. This would keep Manafort from hedging on his deal to cooperate.

www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/special-counsel-ready-to-dismiss-counts-against-paul-manafort-prepare-for-sentencing/2018/10/17/8ec73196-d225-11e8-b2d2-f397227b43f0_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3a105b242caa

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ohmymimi · 19/10/2018 19:44

I think any attempt at impeachment would be a disaster, Across. As for recourse in the courts, I fear you are spot onHaloween Sad

As for Paulie Numbnuts in a wheelchair, I hope he is not trying to pull a Saunders*

*www.independent.co.uk/news/the-renaissance-man-1256097.html

ohmymimi · 19/10/2018 20:16

That is not genius, a bit of genius, or even an atom of genius. Da Vinci he ain't. 5 year olds know how manipulation works. DO BETTER:
Maggie Haberman
@maggieNYT
This is also one of his bits of genius, is creating a distraction when a news tide is against him. He does not read books, but he is also not dumb, and he knows how to provoke a reaction.
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michaelscherer
@michaelscherer
Even more notable is that he did it to provoke exactly this reaction from the national press, professional Washington, thereby deepening the identity of his own supporters as defined against the disapproving gaze of those with power. And it seems to work more often than not. (link: twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1053110486575792128) twitter.com/maggieNYT/stat…
7:11 pm · 19 Oct 2018

cozietoesie · 19/10/2018 21:07

Ambitious person. 

cozietoesie · 19/10/2018 21:20

Not someone who's leaving politics, anyhow.

lionheart · 19/10/2018 22:06

time.com/longform/democrat-midterm-strategy/

cozietoesie · 19/10/2018 22:12

Ouch. Do any of you all take conference calls?

conference call

lionheart · 19/10/2018 22:44

Oh dear.

I've just been watching Cruz and staff trying to do a Facebook live thing. It did not go so well.

Gumpendorf · 19/10/2018 23:24

So the story is that Khashoggi got into a "physical altercation" with 18 goons dispatched on two chartered planes to kidnap him and then they were forced to kill him?

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1053409311311970304

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/19/jamal-khashoggi-dead-saudi-arabian-state-television-confirms?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

He got into a fight so they used the handily convenient bone saw to cut up his body. Really?!

I'm sure it will seem v credible tomorrow when it's been polished by Trump and co

Gumpendorf · 20/10/2018 02:02

The Houston Chronicle endorses Beto O'Rourke.

Worth reading the whole article which doesn't pull punches on Cruz.

www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/recommendations/article/Senate-Beto-ORourke-Ted-Cruz-2018-endorsement-13320986.php

Ted Cruz — a candidate the Chronicle endorsed in 2012, by the way — is the junior senator from Texas in name only. Exhibiting little interest in addressing the needs of his fellow Texans during his six years in office, he has kept his eyes on a higher prize. He's been running for president since he took the oath of office — more likely since he picked up his class schedule as a 15-year-old ninth-grader at Houston's Second Baptist High School more than three decades ago. For Cruz, public office is a private quest; the needs of his constituents are secondary.

It was the rookie Cruz, riding high after a double-digit win in 2012, who brazenly took the lead in a 2013 federal government shutdown, an exercise in self-aggrandizement that he hoped would lead to the repeal of the Affordable Care Act. Cruz, instead, undercut the economy, cost taxpayers an estimated $2 billion (and inflicted his reading of Dr. Seuss's "Green Eggs and Ham" on an unamused nation). Maybe the senator succeeded in cementing in his obstructionist tea party bona fides, but we don't recall Texans clamoring for such an ill-considered, self-serving stunt.
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There's one more reason O'Rourke should represent Texas in the U.S. Senate: He would help to serve as a check on a president who is a danger to the republic. Cruz is unwilling to take on that responsibility. Indeed, the man who delighted in calling the Texas senator "Lyin' Ted" all through the 2016 presidential campaign, who insulted Cruz's wife and his father, is bringing his traveling campaign medicine show to Houston next week to buoy the Cruz campaign. The hyperbole, the hypocrisy and the rancorous hot air just might blow the roof off the Toyota Center.
While the bloviations emanate from the arena next week, imagine how refreshing it would be to have a U.S. senator who not only knows the issues but respects the opposition, who takes firm positions but reaches out to those who disagree, who expects to make government work for Texas and the nation. Beto O'Rourke, we believe, is that senator.

Roussette · 20/10/2018 07:17

That's a powerful article Gump

This article is causing quite a stir on Twitter, not quite sure of the implications yet.

www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/russian-national-charged-interfering-us-political-system

ohmymimi · 20/10/2018 08:53

'U.S. to Tell Russia It Is Leaving Landmark I.N.F. Treaty'
The collapse of the treaty would likely open up a missile race in Europe and elsewhere,” said Hans M. Kristensen, the director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists, a private group in Washington. “It would signal a new phase where countries would compete to deploy and counterdeploy weapons.”
Jon Wolfsthal, a nuclear expert on the National Security Council during the Obama administration, said a withdrawal would roil Europe.
“Things are just now calming down,” he said. “This would be another hand grenade in the middle of NATO to split the allies.”
www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/us/politics/russia-nuclear-arms-treaty-trump-administration.html

ohmymimi · 20/10/2018 08:58

Michael D. Shear
@shearm
Today, @realDonaldTrump proclaimed National Character Counts Week: “This week, especially, we refocus our efforts to be good examples -- to our Nation's youth and each other.”
Yesterday, he gushed about assaulting a reporter. “Any guy who can do a body slam, he's my candidate.”
mobile.twitter.com/shearm/status/1053449141383241728

ohmymimi · 20/10/2018 09:08

'Boy falsely accused of sexual assault by woman says he's struggling to move on'
abcnews.go.com/amp/GMA/News/black-child-falsely-accused-viral-cornerstore-caroline-video/story?id=58606508&id=58606508&__twitter_impression=true