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ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 17:10

'Trump Enables a Saudi Lie.
The case of Jamal Khashoggi is part of a larger and more disturbing pattern.'
www.bloomberg.com/amp/view/articles/2018-10-17/jamal-khashoggi-disappearance-trump-enables-a-saudi-lie?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 17:13

'A Middle East Monarchy Hired American Ex-Soldiers To Kill Its Political Enemies. This Could Be The Future Of War.
“There was a targeted assassination program in Yemen. I was running it. We did it.” '
www.buzzfeednews.com/article/aramroston/mercenaries-assassination-us-yemen-uae-spear-golan-dahlan

ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 17:16

It reveals exactly who they are:
Greg Miller
@gregpmiller
Trump and Pompeo almost certainly know (from US spy agencies) the gruesome details of Khashoggi death. Makes their bemused indifference all the more striking.
@KenDilanianNBC
Anybody think the NSA doesn't have this?
Audio Contains Gruesome Details of Khashoggi Killing, Turkish Official Says (link: nyti.ms/2QYd7km) nyti.ms/2QYd7km

TheNorthWestPawsage · 18/10/2018 17:33

Dead brothel owner will win Nevada election, says manager
Dennis Hof, 72, who died on Tuesday, will remain on ballot and win state assembly seat, campaign manager predicts
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/18/dead-brothel-owner-dennis-hof-will-win-nevada-election-says-manager?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 17:34

'White nationalist leader is plotting to 'take over the GOP'
Identity Evropa is pushing its members to stealthily infiltrate Republican politics to move the party toward its agenda of banning nonwhite immigration.'
www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna920826?__twitter_impression=true

cozietoesie · 18/10/2018 17:34

I guess that Turkey will be invited to join MESA after all.

cozietoesie · 18/10/2018 17:36

Javanka's phones must be hot...........

ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 18:05

'Defense Lobbyists Hope to Scare Voters Into Voting for Indicted Congressman.
Duncan Hunter’s campaign is painting his opponent as a terrorist, with help from three generals with huge interests before his committee.'
www.thedailybeast.com/defense-lobbyists-hope-to-scare-voters-into-voting-for-indicted-congressman

Thread:
southpaw
@nycsouthpaw
One of the generals who signed the letter for Hunter is Terry Paul, whose lobbying firm, Cassidy & Associates, has some interesting FARA filings. ......
....... There’s no indication Gen. Paul himself worked on the matter, but it seems worth pointing out that the general has a much closer personal connection to a violent Islamist group than anything referenced in the letter he signed attacking Duncan Hunter’s opponent.
mobile.twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1052964368617365504

ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 18:28

Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
The secretary of state, who just visited the two countries involved in a full blown diplomatic crisis over the disappearance of a journalist and subsequently briefed the president, talked to reporters for roughly three minutes and took two questions. That was it.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo defended himself against criticism that he was too smiley while meeting with the Saudi crown prince and said he advised Trump to give the Saudis a few more days to investigate. But didn’t offer anything else new that I heard.
mobile.twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1052937423649427463

cozietoesie · 18/10/2018 18:46

They're hoping that it will 'blow over'.

ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 18:47

DO BETTER - They are not some hard done by minority suffering from male teen angst. They are a gang of violent, racist, neo-nazi thugs led by a violent, racist, neo-nazi thug (who is fêted on Fox News):
NBC News
@NBCNews
The Proud Boys, a nationalist movement of mostly young white males, is drawing new recruits every day. Their leader, Gavin McInnes, argues they are not white supremacists and are only speaking up for a new class of minority. -
@NBCLeftField

Far-Right Proud Boys Cultivate Male Angst | NBC Left Field
www.youtube.com

'Normalizing Neo-Nazis Again': Internet Rains Hell on New York Times for Fawning Profile of Far-Right 'Proud Boys' Founder
The New York Times described Gavin McInnes as "a former Brooklyn hipster turned far-right provocateur."
www.alternet.org/normalizing-neo-nazis-again-internet-rains-hell-new-york-times-fawning-profile-far-right-proud-boys

www.mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/05/meet-the-hipster-racist-fox-news-guest-attackin/199617

www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys

'How Mainstream Media Strategies Enable Political Propaganda'
conatusnews.com/mainstream-media-political-propaganda

ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 18:53

Yes, cozie, they think they, and MBS, can ride it out and return to business as usual. A huge misjudgement, I think.

Gumpendorf · 18/10/2018 19:28

I know we've been here before, but this does feel different. Trump is finding it harder to lie his way out of this and the Repugs don't seem keen to help him.

ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 19:36

Empty words from the man with a love affair with the back of Stinky's head:
Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
Pence takes the strongest stance yet on Khashoggi. "If a journalist lost their life at the hand of violence, that is a threat to a free and independent press around the world and there will be consequences." He says the U.S. won't rely solely on results of Saudi investigation.

ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 19:43

'Trump more involved in stopping FBI HQ move than previously known, emails show'
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/18/politics/trump-fbi-building/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 19:52

Katie Rogers
@katierogers
"Mr. Kushner has argued that the outrage over Mr. Khashoggi’s disappearance and possible killing will pass, just as it did after other Saudi errors like the kidnapping of the prime minister of Lebanon and the killing of a busload of children in Yemen"
Saudi rulers are said to be considering placing the blame for the disappearance of a dissident on Gen. Ahmed al-Assiri.
Saudi Arabia Weighs Blaming Intelligence Official for Khashoggi Killing
nytimes.com

lionheart · 18/10/2018 19:54

'Dead brothel owner will win ...' Shock

cozietoesie · 18/10/2018 19:59

I think that the midterms are too close, mimi. Also......(and sorry to those who knew him) the news that he was 'cut up' has not been good.

ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 20:56

This podcast series looks interesting. The previous, 10 Oct., episode is on Stinky's tax issues.
Stormy Daniels’ defamation lawsuit gets thrown out but not to worry, two others are filed.
[LRC Presents: All the President's Lawyers] A small legal victory for Trump, but questions remain
podplayer.net/?id=57067834 via @PodcastAddict

ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 21:09

There does seem to be a serious effort to find Jamal Khashoggi's remains by the Turkish Police, cozie, digging in the KSA Consul garden, tracking the black van outside the city. For the sake of his loved ones I hope they find something.

ohmymimi · 18/10/2018 21:20

Kamala Harris would be my pick for 2020, lion, but I have no faith in the DNC getting on the right track.

cozietoesie · 18/10/2018 21:23

They won't go for her.

lionheart · 18/10/2018 22:04

I think they will retreat to a man.