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At a 19yr Old Transwoman being elected a Labour woman’s officer

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bambambini · 20/11/2017 08:48

Seems the old WO stepped down after alleged bullying and accusation of transphobia. The new WO is a 19 yr old Transwoman - i think who made many of The allegations against the previous WO.

What experience has a 19 yr old TW got to hold this post - weirder than weird.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-teenager-lily-madigan-voted-in-as-a-labour-women-s-officer-mwchkhzq8

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donajimena · 20/11/2017 13:38

How many young people have to die before they can use the female toilets? (Not verbatim)
What an utter bellend

LunasSpectreSpecs · 20/11/2017 13:45

Wow, just how fuckig stupid can you be to elect a male to do that job?

I totally agree. I believe that people of both sexes should be free to wear what they want, play with whatever they want and call themselves what they want, but I also believe that you cannot rewrite the basic rules of biology. People are born male or female.

Problem is, that view is "transphobic" and there are several very vocal, very nasty and very intimidating in right-on political circles who would rip anyone to shreds for not accepting the fact that a transwoman is 100% the same thing as a woman. People are scared to put their heads above the parapet, or brainwashed./

busyboysmum · 20/11/2017 13:47

Just reading the comments on the Times article and apologies if this has already been mentioned but apparently it takes 2 years to get a GRC and you have to be 18 to apply so is this person even a woman?

Surely someone could challenge this appointment if not?

Datun · 20/11/2017 13:48

They cannot possibly be a legal woman. They are 19. Even if they started the process of their 18th birthday, they will not be considered legal until they are 20.

thegreylady · 20/11/2017 13:49

What exactly is a trans Woman? Is it a man saying he’s a woman or a woman saying she’s a man? Has the person had gender reassignment surgery?
To clarify, it seems to have become quite fashionable to announce your uncertainty about your gender and have a go at living as the opposite sex for a while or indeed permanently and my word you cause incredible offence if you don’t understand. I am genuinely baffled. I am in my 70s. What does cis mean? What is gender neutral? I have no objection at all to people being who they are as long as they do no harm.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 20/11/2017 13:52

I have just had a twitter spat with a women in her 30s who called me batshit for saying that sex was based in science. WTF is wrong with these people? And now Ed Milliband is on the case

twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/932523939598946304

brasty · 20/11/2017 13:55

I laughed at - the people usually not heard in this debate

TheHumanRace · 20/11/2017 13:57

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CecilyNeville · 20/11/2017 13:57

I thought the same - where exactly has Ed been?!

Datun · 20/11/2017 13:58

thegreylady

A transwoman is someone born male who wants to be female.

Originally you had to have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to be considered a transwoman.

The other set of men who claim they are transwomen are, in old money, cross dressing fetishists.

Both these definitions are officially transwomen.

The trouble has arisen because they claim they are actually, biologically women. That the term woman is simply wrong and it should apply to how you feel in your head, rather than what your body dictates.

You don’t have to have surgery, you don’t even have to wear a dress. You can just say it out loud. With a beard.

Cis means you’re not trans. So normal women. Women dislike the term because they are not willing to be defined as not being ‘a man who identifies as woman’. The word woman is considered sufficient.

Transmen are people who are born female who want to be male. You rarely here from them, because no one listens to women.

Gender neutral, or non-binary is, loosely, someone who doesn’t identify as male or female.

They can be either sex, but they do not want the gendered expectations of society placed upon them.

Which sounds very feminist! But, they tend to be very a bit self obsessed and attention seeking.

People like me liken it to mods, punks, and Goths, back in the day.

And yes, if you get it wrong, it’s a heinous crime.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/11/2017 13:59

I'm amazed no-one's posted this yet:

cdtaylornats · 20/11/2017 14:01

Now come n when Mhairi Black was elected for the SNP everybody said she would be useless as she was young and inexperienced. They were wrong - turns out she was useless because she was a lazy gobshite.

Give this person a chance.

Terrylene · 20/11/2017 14:02

What exactly is a trans Woman?

Your guess is as good as mine Wink

After the Gender Recognition act, we won't know exactly what a woman or man are either. It will change with the wind, or whoever is blowing it.

megletthesecond · 20/11/2017 14:02

I had to stop the YouTube video after a minute. What a monumentally stupid decision Angry.

I suspect Lily won't last long tbh.

GardenGeek · 20/11/2017 14:04

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Datun · 20/11/2017 14:06

cdtaylornats

Have you watched the video?

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 20/11/2017 14:07

Who says Mhairi Black is useless? As far as I am aware she is very well regarded. And elected twice.

And no, I am not going to give a man a chance in a woman's officer role. Fuck that.

Sentimentallentil · 20/11/2017 14:09

thegreylady

I find the word Cis offensive because it means that my gender identity and born sex line up, I don’t believe in gender identity, I believe in sex and I believe in personality. I think that to say someone is Cis woman is to imply that they are complicit in any oppression or disadvantage that they face because being a woman is a choice that they could have opted out of.
I have never ever met a single person who’s personality fit exactly with their sexes gender stereotypes, so by that token no one is cis.
To use the word cis is to imply that there is a systemic privilege attached to being a woman and that we are opressing men by not allowing them in our spaces, spaces that we have had to fight so hard for to protect us from male violence.

It’s an unbelievable trick of language that not both takes away our power to name sex based oppression but also flicks the switch and says we are the opressers and also happy with our lot.

Datun · 20/11/2017 14:11

Just wondering if greylady knows what gender identity is?

Because if you don’t, this is even more of a minefield.

Sentimentallentil · 20/11/2017 14:13

To be honest datun I’m not sure I know what it is.
It’s a made up thing to explain if you like dresses is it not?

StrangeLookingParasite · 20/11/2017 14:16

Good for Lily

And for no-one else at all.

Fucksticks.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/11/2017 14:18

Apologies, FlowerPot - I see that you did, after all, beat me to it Wink

BTW has Lubeybooby been back yet to educate us all about what the definition of a woman actually is ...?

seafoodeatit · 20/11/2017 14:19

@Sentimentallentil you explain why I hate cis better then I ever could!

TheRollingCrone · 20/11/2017 14:20

And we're Over The Rainbow... I've posted #StandWithHeather on twitter. That place is truly bats hit #nodebate eh? WTF

On a brighter note Owen Jones has blocked me Grin by all accounts history will damn me!

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2017 14:20

I have a problem with this cis word shit. It basically serves to reinforce gender stereotypes imo, rather than encourage freedom to have a fluid gender.

It also serves to belittle and at times completely deny physical reality that is separate from gender.

Words and use of language are important.

I don't believe 'cis' empowers all those who have fluid gender - it serves only a small sub-section of that group. I also think it removes power from women, by suggesting they are the oppressor in the dynamic and have no vulnerability of their own.

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