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EDL....

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DandyFloss · 29/09/2013 11:41

I am a regular who has name changed for this thread.

I would like to have a discussion about EDL. I want to know exactly why people find them so abhorrent and why it is such a taboo subject.

I dislike militant Islam, it is a dangerous movement and it really frightens me. A family friend was killed in 9/11 and it was a horrible horrible tragedy.

I have two mixed race children, my DH is mixed race, I would not say I'm racist or xenophobic.

As far as I can gather EDL oppose militant Islam, and this alone.

Why does this make them racist? Surely militant Islam, although a very small proportion of Islam, should be opposed?

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gordyslovesheep · 29/09/2013 16:03

sigh...no but every member of the EDL supports what the EDL stands for ergo - they are racist

Muslims follow Islam - aside from the one common factor they are as alike in thought and action as every other human on the planet

flaflafla · 29/09/2013 16:03

What about Muslims? They completely distinguish between Muslim and non Muslim. And men and women for that matter. It is a discriminatory religion.

How does it hurt Muslim children to eat non-Halal meat? Ot just eat vegetarian dishes at school?

Why should Muslims take priority when it comes to Halal vs non Halal?

Then there's the problem of school food contracts being given to Muslim firms almost entirely in some areas. This only causes resentment among people who's businesses suffer, many people find themselves out of work because of it. Is this a good thing?

nennypops · 29/09/2013 16:04

absoluteLY, sorry.

duchessandscruffy · 29/09/2013 16:06

flafla anders brevik murdered dozens of people partly in the name of Christianity. Deyan deyanov beheaded a woman in Tenerife and though he was the second coming of Christ. The westboro' baptist church..... Well they just behave like arseholes. Normal rational thinking people are not calling for the ousting of Christians for Christianity to be 'stood up to'. Why? Because they realise that it is a minority of Christians and most do not advocate that sort of behaviour. Why are you just singling out Islam as a religion that needs 'standing up to'?

YouTheCat · 29/09/2013 16:07

None of my Muslim friends care that I'm an atheist. And I am not bothered that they are Muslims. They are people, same as everyone else.

I can't believe a supposedly educated person cannot see that tarring a whole religion with one brush and spreading hate is totally racist and bigoted.

flaflafla · 29/09/2013 16:07

It would be absolute impossible to be anti-racist and a supporter of the EDL.

I don't think this is right at all. If you joined, just to see, would you become a racist overnight?

Plenty of people just want to see this country kept decent, like it used to be. They aren't racist, they are just upset about how this country is changing for the worse. I know people that have been hounded out of their homes due to being white and living in a "Muslim area". It's not nice. I can't imagine any of the people on here knowing what it feels like to be forced out of an area you have lived in all of your life, and see what used to be nice streets fall into disrepair.

gordyslovesheep · 29/09/2013 16:07

you are clearly ignorant about all thing Muslim - which may explain you bigoted views

LittlePeaPod · 29/09/2013 16:08

Flaflafla get a grip. Everyone in the food sector has to pitch for school contracts. Some win, some lose. It's all price driven and the buyers are all transactional buyers. It's not easy to win a school contract the buyers make the decision and the buyers make commercial decision. Here have another

skylerwhite · 29/09/2013 16:09

Plenty of people just want to see this country kept decent, like it used to be

Flaflafla, what is this British golden age you're referring to? When was the country 'decent'?

Also, your casual equation of 'Muslim areas' with 'what used to be nice streets fall[ing] into disrepair is another marker of your horrid racist views.

nennypops · 29/09/2013 16:09

Are you being deliberately obtuse, Flafla? If you are a supporter of the EDL, that means you support them and their views. They are an extremely racist organisation. It follows that if you support them you must be a racist. Of course a non-racist can join the organisation (not that they would be welcomed) but joining is not the same as supporting.

PrincessFlirtyPants · 29/09/2013 16:11

The post made by nennypops makes perfect sense.

SpookyNameChange13 · 29/09/2013 16:11

If you joined, just to see, would you become a racist overnight?

Why the fuck would anyone with a brain cell do that?

YouTheCat · 29/09/2013 16:12

Decent? When was this? Which century? I think I missed it.

flaflafla · 29/09/2013 16:13

I am not that old, 37 next month, I am from Burnley, it was never the wealthiest place but it used to be decent and people took pride in their surroundings, the streets were clean, not full of litter. Now there are many areas that are just horrible, dirty, and they are predomininatly Muslim areas. That's not me being "racist", go there and take a look. Or look on google maps.

crazynanna · 29/09/2013 16:13

been hounded out of their homes due to being white and living in a "Muslim area". It's not nice. I can't imagine any of the people on here knowing what it feels like to be forced out of an area

Yes that's true...it is not nice. And I am sure over the decades the number of non-white people hounded out of their homes and areas by racists would echo that,too.

duchessandscruffy · 29/09/2013 16:14

Flafla, Christianity (particularly Catholicism) discriminates between men and women. Thoughts?

YouTheCat · 29/09/2013 16:15

Fla, I suggest you get on to your local councillors if they are failing to keep the streets clean and do their duty.

gordyslovesheep · 29/09/2013 16:15

all the 'white Christian' areas of Burnley are spotless and bathed in a Hovis style half light are they? - yeh okay if you say so

crazynanna · 29/09/2013 16:15

So, fla...all this streetlitter and dirt is because of Muslims...along with your old man losing the catering contract and your extreme sadness at burka-wearing....anything else you wanna blame the Muslim community for whilst you're on a roll?

duchessandscruffy · 29/09/2013 16:15

So nice streets have fallen into disrepair specifically because of Muslims? What?!

SpookyNameChange13 · 29/09/2013 16:16

I can't imagine any of the people on here knowing what it feels like to be forced out of an area

Hmm, actually now you mention it...yes I do know how that feels.

I'll give you a clue though, it wasn't muslims hounding me out.

KnottyLocks · 29/09/2013 16:17

The EDL have marched against the opening of a proposed Muslim school using the line 'they believe in integration'
Strangely they did not march against Catholic, C of E or private schools.

ohmymimi · 29/09/2013 16:17

Flaflafla- please tell us what you mean by this country bring 'kept decent'.

PrincessFlirtyPants · 29/09/2013 16:18

been hounded out of their homes due to being white and living in a "Muslim area". It's not nice. I can't imagine any of the people on here knowing what it feels like to be forced out of an area

Oh really??? I'm northern Irish with a Catholic father and a Protestant mother and grew up as a 'halfer' in a UVF ran area. I've had family petrol bombed out of their houses, threatened, tortured, I could go on. Do not presume to tell anyone that they have no idea what it's like to be ran out of an area.

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