EDL....

[DandyFloss]

I am a regular who has name changed for this thread.

I would like to have a discussion about EDL. I want to know exactly why people find them so abhorrent and why it is such a taboo subject.

I dislike militant Islam, it is a dangerous movement and it really frightens me. A family friend was killed in 9/11 and it was a horrible horrible tragedy.

I have two mixed race children, my DH is mixed race, I would not say I'm racist or xenophobic.

As far as I can gather EDL oppose militant Islam, and this alone.

Why does this make them racist? Surely militant Islam, although a very small proportion of Islam, should be opposed?

[skylerwhite]

Unfortunately, having a university degree does not prevent you from being a horrible racist, flaflafla

[gordyslovesheep]

no educated means not anti something simply because it's not what YOU believe

meat is meat ffs - Muslim children have as much right as anyone else to a school meal they can eat

this thread is strange

[Caoimhe]

Dandy, your post of 15:39 is the first time you've acknowledged that the EDL are racist. Your previous posts have just wittered on about what you don't know (so have appeared to be goading).

[nennypops]

It seems that "educated" means in favour of Islam, I do not think that is the case

No "educated" means having the sense and ability to inform yourself of the facts, and not abusing the adherents of an entire religion on the basis of blind prejudice.

[YouTheCat]

I'd saying being educated has nothing to do with degrees. An educated person would not hate a whole group of people because of their religion. An educated person is not a mindless bigot.

[flaflafla]

I object to being called a racist. And a mindless bigot for that matter. It takes guts to go against the grain and stand up for what you believe in. Anyone can go along with the crowd. I am sure plenty of people just do it for an easy life even if they have misgivings about Muslims.

I don't hate Muslims. But I do have misgivings about them.

There is nothing stopping Muslim children eating normal non-halal meat, other than religious beliefs.

I know nothing about the EDL other than what I read or see on the news. I do not take anything I read or see on TV for granted, it all has some kind of spin to it.

[gordyslovesheep]

all Muslims ???? what every single one??? unless you have MET them all Flaflafla then you are nothing but a bigot

[SpookyNameChange13]

My god.

I agree with everything MrsDevere has said.

OP, has this issue not cropped up for you before now?

Do some research fgs.

EDL use the issue of 'militant' muslims to paki bash, that is what this all is, many of their members are tired, fat football hooligans who due to thuggery have been given bans from football matches,. this is their latest passtime and excuse to be violent.

They are racists. End of.

[PrincessFlirtyPants]

I object to being called a racist. And a mindless bigot for that matter

Maybe you shouldn't express racist views then?!

[flaflafla]

Have you met every member of the EDL? It seems generalising is fine but only one way.

[SpookyNameChange13]

I know nothing about the EDL other than what I read or see on the news. I do not take anything I read or see on TV for granted, it all has some kind of spin to it

Ive seen them in action. No 'spin'

They are racist thugs.

[skylerwhite]

No, flaflafla, you are not "entitled" to express racist views in the UK. Thankfully, that is a legal offense.

[YouTheCat]

My dd met quite a few at an anti EDL rally - she said they were doing Nazi salutes and chanting racist crap about people 'going home'.

I've met tonnes of Muslims and not one of them wants Sharia law in Britain or has any plans to bomb anywhere.

Expressing views which are racist makes you a racist. It's very simple.

[flaflafla]

You've seen "them" in action? All of "them"? Are "they" all the same? Who's being "racist" now. Of course you aren't being racist because EDL isn't a race.

I've no doubt that there are some racists in the EDL. But there are some racists in the Muslim faith as well. There are some racists in any kind of group of people you could name.

[SpookyNameChange13]

Ok, some know what they are about and are out and out racists.

Some think they know, but don't realise what they are actually about. They are just stupid thickos who need to do a bit more research before they affiliate themselves to a group like that.

[YouTheCat]

Fla, it is called inciting racial hatred and is an offence.

[nennypops]

Flaflafla: There is nothing stopping Muslim children eating normal non-halal meat, other than religious beliefs.

So what? How does it hurt you if Muslim children don't eat non-halal meat?

[crazynanna]

You can't make people shut up by calling them "racist" anymore. It doesn't work.

But that's the rub.....racists have never "shut up" when it comes to spouting their hatred

[YouTheCat]

Some racists in the EDL? Their whole ethos is based on racism and bigotry.

[SpookyNameChange13]

Ok flaflafla you must be in the second group then.

[LittlePeaPod]

dandy what I know is you are a mother to mixed race children and you start a goading BS EDL thread and admit you can't be arsed to research a racist group.. Then you whinge about people's response to you. Here I gave a to Flaflafla the university educated EDL supporter now I think you need one. Here you go...

[nennypops]

It would be absolute impossible to be anti-racist and a supporter of the EDL.