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EDL....

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DandyFloss · 29/09/2013 11:41

I am a regular who has name changed for this thread.

I would like to have a discussion about EDL. I want to know exactly why people find them so abhorrent and why it is such a taboo subject.

I dislike militant Islam, it is a dangerous movement and it really frightens me. A family friend was killed in 9/11 and it was a horrible horrible tragedy.

I have two mixed race children, my DH is mixed race, I would not say I'm racist or xenophobic.

As far as I can gather EDL oppose militant Islam, and this alone.

Why does this make them racist? Surely militant Islam, although a very small proportion of Islam, should be opposed?

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flaflafla · 29/09/2013 16:22

Did you like it? Why do you expect other people to put up with it for fear of being called "racist" if they do say anything?

It is not nice to be woken up at 6am by two men you have never met before with £20,000 in cash in a carrier bag wanting to buy your house there and then.

noddyholder · 29/09/2013 16:22

fla read back over your posts and then really honestly say you aren't racist. You sound absolutely confined by your small mindedness

Thants · 29/09/2013 16:23

Lol at Britain used to be decent! It's no different now! Well except most people have more freedom, which is positive! It's just the press are focusing on different issues. It's not real it's a created problem. And you are buying it!
Can you please explain in what way Britain is less decent now?

crazynanna · 29/09/2013 16:25

It is not nice to be woken up at 6am by two men you have never met before with £20,000 in cash in a carrier bag wanting to buy your house there and then

Wait...let me guess. Muslim...right?

flaflafla · 29/09/2013 16:25

If you don't live here it's very hard to understand what it's like.

PrincessFlirtyPants · 29/09/2013 16:25

Did I like it? No.

Did I tar everyone who was Catholic and Protestant with the brush. NO

nennypops · 29/09/2013 16:26

Flafla: It is not nice to be woken up at 6am by two men you have never met before with £20,000 in cash in a carrier bag wanting to buy your house there and then.

Come off it, you must know perfectly well that no-one can buy a house just by handing over cash on the doorstep. There are little matters like property deeds, land registration, stamp duty ...

skylerwhite · 29/09/2013 16:26

Flaflafla can you please explain in what way Britain was more 'decent' in the past?

Thants · 29/09/2013 16:27

So when you see Britain you don't mean Britain you mean the one town that you live in. That does not represent the whole country.

YouTheCat · 29/09/2013 16:27

I have a lovely friend who lives near you and she fights tooth and nail against the hatred that the EDL incites.

It isn't Muslims inciting that hatred. It is other people who don't like people who are a different colour from them and who have a different religion.

flaflafla · 29/09/2013 16:28

I am sure many of you live in leafy suburbs or exclusive gated communities down south, not the terraced streets of lancashire mill towns such as this. There is a real tension in the air at all times. It's not a surprise at all that there have been riots here and probably will be again. It is us that bare the brunt of immigration, and the south that gets the benefits of it.

noddyholder · 29/09/2013 16:28

This is why I think the OP may be a journo fishing as no 'real' person with mixed race children would have anything but contempt for groups like the EDL and would have investigated this in relation to her children and their heritage eons ago

YouTheCat · 29/09/2013 16:29

You and your ilk are creating that tension.

And no, I don't live in a leafy suburb. I live in a large Northern city with a vast array of different cultures and religions. We all seem to rub along very nicely though.

flaflafla · 29/09/2013 16:29

It isn't Muslims inciting that hatred. It is other people who don't like people who are a different colour from them and who have a different religion.

Are you at least willing to accept that some Muslims are at fault? There are plenty of stories of people being attacked by Muslim gangs around here, including TV reporters reporting on the tensions in the area.

YouTheCat · 29/09/2013 16:31

No, I am willing to accept that some people are at fault. The fact that they might be Muslim is totally irrelevant.

flaflafla · 29/09/2013 16:31

Sorry YouTheHat but I don't believe you. Where is this "northern city where people of all cultures and religions get along"? I don't know of it. Where is it?

crazynanna · 29/09/2013 16:31

No fla, I don't live in the leafy suburbs. I live in Finsbury Park, North London (google it in terms of Muslim community), and I don't spout all the woes of the area is the Muslim community to blame, like you seem to.

skylerwhite · 29/09/2013 16:32

Criminal behaviour is criminal behaviour. Some Muslims are guilty of it, some Christians are guilty of it, some atheists are guilty of it, some Jews are guilty of it. Criminal behaviour, anti-social behaviour and littering are not the preserve of any one social or religious group.

YouTheCat · 29/09/2013 16:33

It's called Newcastle. You might have heard of it. I've never read of a single case of racially motivated crime in any of our papers. And I've lived here for 26 years.

flaflafla · 29/09/2013 16:33

So a gang of Muslim men that harass women for being "indecently dressed" arent'y at fauly? What about gangs of men that abuse young girls? You think it's just a coincedence that a gang of 15 or more all just happen to be Muslim?

YouTheCat · 29/09/2013 16:34

Their religion is irrelevant. I've heard of plenty of white men doing just the same.

nennypops · 29/09/2013 16:34

Flafla, you still haven't managed to specify this time when the UK was "decent" despite several requests.

And are you at least willing to accept that some non-Muslims could be at fault in your area also?

Thants · 29/09/2013 16:34

Flafla. So how do you explain allllll the non Muslims that commit sex offences? I don't get your point.

flaflafla · 29/09/2013 16:35

Isn't Newcastle predominantly white?

gordyslovesheep · 29/09/2013 16:36

I lived Tysley/Sparkbrook for about 6 years before moving here - I work in Birmingham...no ivory tower here

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