To think that no child should be allowed to ruin the learning of 29 children

[ReallyTired]

My son's year 6 class has been constantly distruped by one or two children. It is unfair that 28 children cannot learn because of the behaviour of one or two.

I feel it really doesn't matter what the reason is for a child who constantly misbehaves (before someone gets out the flame thrower/ violin) the other children have a right to learn in a calm ordered environment. Often badly children do not have learning difficulties or difficult family circumstances.

Or put it another way some children with special needs or a difficult home life have explematory behaviour.

It is not fair that many hard working children have to put up with child X making stupid noises (NOT TOURETTES or any other special need) or constantly shouting out or arguing with the teacher because their parents can't afford private school.

It would be interesting to know what other countries do with children who constantly distrupt the class. (Other than using the cane.)

I believe that Britain's in ablity to deal with low level disruption in the classroom has reduced social mobility.

YANBU..the school should look after every pupil.

YABU with the nasty flamethrower/violin comment.

O Lord what is with all the goadish twatwankerry in here at the moment.

yanbu but I think there is one in almost every Year5/6 class. Not sure about your last comment - dd experienced this in a private school. Other countries wheedle out disruptive/SEN pupils early and put them in a different class/system . Unfortunately this also often means low expectations and attainment.

I would change that to no lack of proper support, supervision and control in the classroom should be allowed to disrupt the learning of 29 children.

The issue here is management. If a child is not being managed properly - who is at fault? The child for running riot or the adult for not ensuring that action is taken?

I certainly agree with you that behaviour should be managed effectively and if it is not, then all the children are being let down.

YABU - my ds had a wonderful afternoon playing in the playground instead of being schooled while the teacher and two TAs tried to persuade the disruptive child down from a tree. Of course the one problem child should have all of the attention, bugger the rest of them!

"flamethrower/violin"

Maybe putting up with low level disruption will allow your son to learn some tolerance and compassion.

Yes....what Hecs said..that is important thing. .not blaming parenting or backgrounds or any other random stuff

Can I save everyone the bother and just write this thread as they always go same way

Yes..but it's stuck on red..I wish

My ds has ASD. He can be quite disruptive.

He should have one to one support but doesn't get it. For this reason he's likely to leave school without having reached a level in literacy and numeracy which will enable him to function adequately at secondary.

So YANBU, all children should have proper support in school.

However, sometimes even with this support their behaviour will be disruptive to the class. Do you think all children whose behaviour regularly disrupts the learning of the class should be educated separately? Would you be willing to pay towards a massive rise in taxation in order to fund this provision?

Yanbu. Your op will be twisted in to snobbery but it isn't

People who want to discuss the school's behaviour management over here..

Those who want to say "there is a kid like that at my child's school and they don't have SN just shitty parents and its not fair".over there

Those who want to say "everyone blames SN and there's just no discipline these days kids are little brats"..out of door

Done

No it won't be twisted.

Thats up there with the flamethrower/violin comment.

Theres a sin bin for those who want to make nippy comments like "I will be flamed here but.. "

Finally..I will get it out of the way..

Who do I think I am and why do I bring SN into everything

That's the thread done for me

YANBU OP. One pupil's behaviour should not be allowed to disrupt the learning of the entire class. The teacher is there to teach, not be continually engaged in the discipline of one or two pupils at the expense of the rest. I presume the school has a policy to deal with disruptive behaviour? I would be contacting the Head teacher to see what's being put in place to deal with this. Every single child has a right to an education that is true, but not at the detriment of everyone else.

Oh dear lord.

Second time in two days I'm speechless. And that NEVER happens.

Beertricks..you sound more sensible ..as always :)

How do you know the child doesn't have SN?
How do you know the child doesn't have fully-funded 1:1 support which the school withholds from him and uses to do other things?
How do you know the child isn't dealing with terrible family circumstances, like a bereavement?
How do you know the child's parents can't afford private school? (And you do know that private schools don't tend to manage bad behaviour - or indeed SNs - they simply kick the kids out)
How do you know this is down to the child and not awful teaching? Poor behaviour management? Bullying? Goading? Scapegoating?

I would suggest you don't know. Actually.