To think all men are basically pervs?

[mrsluvvaluvva]

Hi there

Felt compelled to ask this as just lately I have really been seeing men in a different light when in social settings. Perhaps I am just getting old and grumpy or reading something that isn't there.

I have been to a few parties recently and have been really conscious of men eyeing up very young almost tartily dressed teenagers. These girls were dressed very glamorously but waay too old for their age. I saw a couple of girls probably aged 16/17 and a couple over 18's, but not by much.

What I found worrying was middle aged men blatently eyeing them up and more worrying men in my group of friends/family. Men old enough to be their dad's. Not necessarily gawping but craftily staring when they could. Now I'm talking not just about a pretty girl but proper tarted up, hot pants the lot.

It made me feel quite sick to see middle aged men perving like this, so am I being unreasonable here to think even nice guys are secret pervs and although they may not be happy with their daughters dressed up like that, they will happily ogle others?

I think it's a bit mean to say all men are pervs but I do remember men in their 30s leering at me when I was about 14 so I think it obviously must still be going on now.

It is worrying indeed and I wouldn't like it if it were my dd. Nor would I like the idea that my dp views 14 year old girls that way...

I can't help my sexy little gear changes and left turn hand gyrations

Yes quite, perceptionreality

maryz if you look at my posts earlier on you will see that I agree with that completely

I know HD. Glad you understand. It's the reflector and derailleur workings that I utterly lose myself in. I seek help.

How can somebody say that all men perv young totty when 1 in 10 are gay? And that goes up to 1 in 3 after a few drinks.

op does all men pervs include your dh/son/dad/brother?
just askin

only 1 in 10 when sober, Tiggy? Bit modest there. And 1 in 3 after some beers is underestimating...

1 in 3 after drinks I don't believe you....1 in 3 after sports maybe there is a lot of arse slapping and dodgy positions that happen after a good game.

how many drinks is a few?

1 in 3 women will prob snog a girl when they're pissed.

1 in 3 men, um, no. Sorry, just no.

ah, you're not a man are you SQ? You really don't know. With respect.

Well, I know that some of the blokes have got off with each other, and I hope that all the ones who are gay have come out by this point! From what I have seen, when blokes get really pissed they are as likely to snog as girls when they get really pissed ie it happens sometimes and people just go BLIMEY! and have another drink.

Casual snogging same sex people is one thing, sex is quite another! I don't believe that 1 in 3 men have sex with men when they are drunk, any more than similar proportions of women do.

? Have you taken drink, Maryz?

1 in 3 seems realistic. The amount of chaps I've slept with but were straight is ridiculous. "It doesn't count as gay if one person is wearing a dress", "It's not gay if you don't swallow", "It's not gay if you don't move when Mr Winkie visits Centreparks", etc.

Um but where were you meeting these men who said they were straight?

bog standard high street on a sat night in a bog standard bar?

SQ - we weren't discussing full sex. We were talking perving and some homo-erotica stuff. Trust a woman to go straight to the sex thing. Vulgar.

yes Tiggy, the number of 'lavenders' is a bit shocking, but women do struggle a bit to appreciate this. [controversial]

They are aren't they Panny. Minds in the gutter. I'm not sure why we let them on the site.

We let them on a sort of indulgence.....

Men don't stand around in groups eyeing boys up

It doesn't happen.

The only times I have felt that men were being eyed more than women were when I was in gay clubs. Otherwise it's generally females of all ages getting boggled at.

Some of them are quite decorative.

...In a 'shabby chic' kind of way.

OP: All Men are Pervs

MEN: No we are not , we're to busy doing Gay Lite.

Mumsnet rational debate at its very finest.