Would you vote to re-join the EU in another referendum?

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Simple question. If there is another referendum to re-join the EU, will you be voting to re-join?

This isn't to have a go at anyone who supported Brexit, or who supported Remain, it's just a quick straw poll. Thank you.

If anyone is wondering, (or cares!) I think I will vote to re-join. (I won't say at this point what I voted for last time...)

I didn’t want to leave, but going back? France will have Le Pen as President, and Germany is moving to AfD and Spain is going populist. It isn’t the same EU we left, and although I’d like the single market I’m not sure about the Euro. I also think it would take years of negotiations to get a deal and we need the political bandwidth and energy poured into sorting out defence,the economy NEETs etc. if we could get the single market I’d rather move on to other things.

I blame David Cameron too.

What a knob to call for a referendum and then resign after the result was announced rather than stay and deal with the consequences of what he did.

Yeah, but if he had stayed to sort it out, the Brexiteers would have claimed that the failure of Brexit was because he sabotaged it. At least with the Brexiteers having been in charge of implementation, they have to own it.

Theresa May was a remainer, yet the Conservatives believed she could deliver brexit, so why couldnt David Cameron. He soon took off once the stuff hit the fans.

Agree.

Brexit was very hard (maybe impossible) to deliver.

We had two choices, ‘soft’ Brexit which would have kept us in the single market, and subject to EU standards. That is probably where we will end up. But given the referendum was sold as taking back sovereign, I don’t think it would have flown 10 years ago.

With ‘hard’ Brexit we tore up frictionless trade and no tariffs. The only way to make it (possibly) work was the ‘Singapore’ idea, low taxes, low regulation, focus on being a global high tech centre and leverage up on our language and world class unis.

No, not because I didn't love being part of Europe because I did, but there is zero chance we will get a good deal- we were struggling when we crashed out of the EU, and have struggled far more since, there is no chance we could afford th terms they would be willing to give us.

Yes i would. I was a leave voter but a “ proper Brexit” has been stifled by the political class so it would be a better option for us to re join.

OMG this thread is making me feel a bit ill. All the old arguments. I think we made our decision and need to own it and move on.

What about the Scottish referendum too? Surely thats up for a rehash by now.

Before the referendum vote, David Cameron said he would take us out of the single market if the result was 'leave'. I assume it was a bluff/threat and he didn't intend to go through with it. Two weeks after he resigned as PM, he was saying 'Oh, we don't know if we will be leaving the single market'. Theresa May presumably convinced enough Conservative MPs during her leadership campaign that she would take us out of the single market.

June 12, 2016 David Cameron's BBC interview with Andrew Marr -
The prime minister said: “What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.”

Hansard - House of Commons Wednesday 15 June 2016 (Pre) Referendum Debate
[David Cameron] The Prime Minister
I am very happy to agree with my hon. Friend. “In” means we remain in a reformed EU; “out” means we come out. As the leave campaigners and others have said, “out” means out of the EU, out of the European single market, out of the Council of Ministers - out of all those things -

The EU have a serious immigrantion issue. At least if we voted for Conservative in 2029 we could leave the ECHR. That option is still available. If we rejoined the EU we are in the ECHR for ever and we would need to take our "fair share" of asylum seekers. And bearing in mind Ethiopia is now kicking off there will probably be a lot more.

And it’s just the start, three years supposedly until a GE.

What about all the people who are now adults but weren't at the time and didn't get to make the decision? Why should they be bound by what people wanted 10 years ago? Don't they have a right to say what they want their future to be?

Why did we have to wait 40 years for the 2016 referendum? Labour's 2005 manifesto promised a referendum on what became the Lisbon Treaty - they went back on their pledge.

But then the people that miss out, does it keep being re-run?

Democracy is not a rehash.

The Greek teacher at my DCs school has been here with her DH for several years now. She explained to my DC why she doesn’t like the EU which was an interesting perspective for them as at their age it’s things like passport control that capture their attention and that brought the complexity of the situation home to them.

The EU might collapse anyway. Depends who you talk to, of course - but there is rumblings of, "Frexit" even on the most centrist or centre left news channels in the comment sections here in France.

Whatever happens in the next ten years, we just don't know. So many variables. I think that this is a bit of a rearraging the deckchairs on the Titanic discussion.

@RedToothBrush
And another referendum in this political climate is the very definition of lunacy tbh

Why? I mean you’re probably right but I wonder why specifically.

I was furious with him for this too. Absolute coward. Also, IIRC, he was all for leaving to start with, and then quickly shifted to wanting to remain, and that was the stance he stayed with until the Brexit vote. I suspect that someone somewhere told him to swiftly change his mind. Probably all the bigwigs and big companies who benefitted from being in the EU.

Feel like democracy is a moveable feast these days. I have given up. I don’t care anymore. It is just another problem/division to add onto the many we already have.

No. We can't have referendums every time people turn 18. Our democracy doesn't work like that. If we have one it should be honoured not rerun every 10 years. We should have had a Scottish independence referendum 3 years ago if that were the case and would be due another one in 2034.

They're too divisive and they suck in all the attention leaving nothing for the other millions of issues we have in this country.

Democracy is honouring the result of the largest vote we ever had not having another go a few years later. We weren't told the result will be what it is but we can have another vote later and see if weve changed our mind and go back in again. We didnt have a trial separation.

I stupidly fell for all the things Leave and Nigel were saying. Nigel still complains........

I actually holiday to the EU now and it's such an amazing nice place to be. The single market and the customs union and frictionless trade is a good thing. Free movement was amazing. EU citizens on the most part come from very culturally similar places.

The only issue is that sometimes free movement is a bit TOO free. Like a undeniable right to live in another country. Like damn. We all know how Brits behave abroad should a country HAVE to deal with all Brits coming here and causing a ruckus? Also many EU nations have given citizenships to some bad people, do we want them here?

It was a paltry marginal majority. Wouldn’t pass a union ballot.

It was lunacy to honour it. Not least because the referendum was advisory and non-binding.