Would you vote to re-join the EU in another referendum?

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Simple question. If there is another referendum to re-join the EU, will you be voting to re-join?

This isn't to have a go at anyone who supported Brexit, or who supported Remain, it's just a quick straw poll. Thank you.

If anyone is wondering, (or cares!) I think I will vote to re-join. (I won't say at this point what I voted for last time...)

💯 to rejoin for yesterday already!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺

Woohoo. At least one person understanding some principles.

Yes. But I am not sure we would get back all we lost when we left.

Yes I would and I voted leave before. Massive mistake

I think it shouldn’t be a referendum either. We can’t always be trusted that’s why we have a government they need to make the big decisions.

The last IMF bailout was 50 years ago.

Yes!!!

We'd never get our veto back or our rebate on membership fees. .

Maybe if Boris Johnson had championed ‘remain’ , it may have been a different story. I honestly believe this ( it’s only my opinion though and I know he isn’t liked on mumsnet that much)

Interested as to why people are so opposed to the euro. It'd be so convenient to use the same money on holiday! And these days almost everything is contactless payment so why on earth does it matter what the name of the currency is? I went to Norway, didn't touch a coin or note literally everything is contactless.

Apart from royalist cash junkies who love carrying a picture of the king around, not sure why this is a sticking point for people. I'd go hard remain. Euro, Schengen, change road signs/ speed limits to km. British exceptionalism baffles me.

Presumably a future government would be able to reverse that decision and come out again without a referendum?

Yes.

Your point is?

Where's your well reasoned argument that our next one won't be in the next five years?

I'd like to hear it.

So would lots of economists and traders.

Interest Rates / quantitive easing/tightienng are of the main levers to control inflation. The ECB have to set rates that work across Europe rather for any particular country. Just look at the disparities between the needs of Greece and Germany in the past.

Because it's about how much your currency is worth against other currencies, how much you can borrow and your ability to set interest rates that suit the interests of your population.

If you think it's just about when you go on holiday, then really do go find out more.

Absolutely.

Agreed with all of that.

I also think that despite the problems the UK government has in reining in expenditure (for example benefits, the triple lock) the UK as a country is less wedded to state benefits and generally less reactionary to them being taken away than the French.

Here we complain bitterly. In France they riot and smash the country up.

So the UK in general is a country that is easier to manage.

The EZ is failing because it is a monetary union without the fiscal rules being applied. Large countries can ignore the rules on budget deficits with impunity.
Small countries like Greece can get reined in. Since 2021 it appears they have done precisely nothing about rectifying this situation.

The only way IMO they can stop a future event is by either greater fiscal integration to ensure everyone sticks to the rules, or to snowball the euro even bigger. The bigger it gets, the greater the consequences for it failing, and therefore the less likelyhood it will be allowed to fail. This is where the GBP has some application.

would depend what the deal was

No. I voted Leave originally because I felt the EU as an institution was becoming bloated and heading for trouble. I still believe that to be the case. I think we should have an excellent but arms length relationship with them but we need to retain sovereignty over our own laws and waters. I think attempts at renegotiating the deal have been futile and actually made the situation worse.

There is a bit more to currencies than convenience on holidays and the pictures.

Yes if we don't have to use the euro

Yes, but mainly so that I could move to a different country. I’m not saying any other countries in Europe are better, but I would move somewhere that didn’t rain 9 months of the year.

With all due respect to you, I really don't wish to carry on with the conversation because I don't care for your tone towards me.

I'm not going to change your mind and neither are you going to change mine.

Sure, but there is also an emotional attachment important for the European project. We are all partners, we share the same currency, it makes working together and visiting each other easier. And economic decisions are linked. Having one large economy outside it will mean they have a very different set of decision making drivers to the others.

There is most definitely an expectation that new countries commit to joining the Euro, even if there are ways and means of delaying it (and not sure saying your economy is too messed up to join is much of a flex as a new member ;) ) Joining the euro would also be proof that the UK was actually committed to the EU project, rather than potentially re-brexiting once a new government comes in. Saying you won't join the euro sends the message that you are not actually committed and are coming to the table expecting a whole load of special opt-outs. Again.

British exceptionalism is not popular. Yes, Germany and France are v important economies, as would be the UK but the EU is also a partnership of equals and the UK's disdain for smaller economies is not appreciated. And are people really willing to accept freedom of movement in the UK? Can't see an opt out on that happening.

It's nothing to do with my tone.

It's because you don't have an answer.

You can blame my tone all you like, but it doesn't change our financial situation as a nation.

It would be good if people stopped burying their heads in the sand and had a good look at the year ahead and what challenges we are going to face because fuck me it's bleak.

Going well 'they won't let that happen' and 'we are too important to fail' are phrases that tend to repeat just as people start to warn that there are major problems because there is a truth that persists: if you acknowledge there may be a problem you have to change behaviour and do something about that problem.

As a nation we do not want to face up to some home truths.

The home truths (multiple) are going to bite us on the arse over the next year.

I disagree. Just because one wants something, it doesn’t mean one has the ability to enact it. I think most politicians - regardless of their party - are pretty inept. Unfortunately.