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Spandauer · 29/09/2026 19:01

Mid-terms looming, approval falling, prices rising, wars ongoing - Ping Ping and Fu Shuang must be wondering what heinous crime they committed to be banished chosen as envoys of friendship between China and USA. 🐼🐼

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AcrossthePond55 · Yesterday 21:51

logicisall · Yesterday 20:22

Tearing down the Oval Office? Trump says he rejected Secret Service plan

Did Trump have a fever dream?

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/10/01/trump-take-down-oval-office/92036769007/

He is so full of shit it comes out both ends.

RedTagAlan · Today 04:38

PerkingFaintly · Yesterday 17:45

Seeding misinformation for direct consumption and for chatbots is definitely Russia's current strategy too, but there's a big expansion of this planned (and probably already underway).

By intent, or a by-product of it's propaganda machine ?

I go towards the latter. Because if they flood certain areas of the web with their misinformation and along come the scrapers to feed into their LLM trainers. I have seen AI posts on here where click the little blue number reference, and it's reddit.

And that leads into model collapse.

Model Collapse: What Happens When AI Trains on AI-Generated Data (2026) | AI Safety Directory (aisecurityandsafety.org)

As more and more AI slop is produced, more and more of it is fed into the system. So it degrades.

When China same out with their AI LLM, Deepseek, I did wonder if they limited it's learning data to what was available behind the Great Firewall. And it appears not. Because there was human programmed intervention for certain "sensitive" questions. In fact, I recall at the time there was accusations it used other peoples data sets.

On this, was the copyright thing ever sorted ? I don't think it has been.

I suppose it's all a bit like Trump University. I think if most posters here saw that at the top of a CV, we would form opinions. But do AI scrapers ?

Model Collapse: What Happens When AI Trains on AI-Generated Data (2026)

Model Collapse: What Happens When AI Trains on AI-Generated Data (2026)

How training AI on synthetic data leads to model collapse, degrading performance and diversity. Causes, research, and prevention strategies.

https://aisecurityandsafety.org/en/guides/model-collapse/

PerkingFaintly · Today 07:13

By intent.

I need to go dig out the article.

But IIRC, in the context of Ukraine, the article stated that Russia intended to ramp up its placing of fake histories for Ukraine, so that when chatbots produce potted histories of Ukraine or the Russian invasion, the Russian fake version would dominate.

Casual enquirers who can't even be bothered to get as far as Wikipedia (itself a battleground but at least one where you can see the article history and the refs), would be fed the Russified summary at the top of their screens and stop there.

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RedTagAlan · Today 07:26

PerkingFaintly · Today 07:13

By intent.

I need to go dig out the article.

But IIRC, in the context of Ukraine, the article stated that Russia intended to ramp up its placing of fake histories for Ukraine, so that when chatbots produce potted histories of Ukraine or the Russian invasion, the Russian fake version would dominate.

Casual enquirers who can't even be bothered to get as far as Wikipedia (itself a battleground but at least one where you can see the article history and the refs), would be fed the Russified summary at the top of their screens and stop there.

On wikipedia. Banned where I am, but it's a very powerful tool. Because the sources are listed in the footnotes. I find they often more useful than the article.

But if we go back a bit, 2016 or so, couple of Americans I knew were rabid pro Trumpers, and US right wing news readers. And Russia was very active on the comments of US right wing news. And these Americans I knew were totally against wiki. "Libtard propaganda" and all that. And that came from... the comments on right wing news sites.

And that worked. That anti wiki campaign. Because one hardly sees it quoted anywhere these days. At least not here. And if it is used, there follows the "Not Wikipedia FFS" yells.

So yeah. I am leaning to agree. By intent.

But.... we can't forget Bannon.

SerendipityJane · Today 10:53

In the early days of AI, it was possible to filter out crap by asking it to cite sources for each stage of a discussion.

Then it learned that if it just made up sources, the user satisfaction for it's responses increased. (Incidentally it also learned that 90% of users never bother to check it's cites actually existed),

At this stage of the game a moderately powerful AI engine could not only invent false cites, but but a domain, and create a website hosting that cite to "prove" it exists.

We have already entered an age where AI will reject real content as possibly fake because it looks less like the AI content it has ingested than the real thing. Parallels with methadone and heroin are probably wide of the mark, but the matter of an addict getting hooked on the substitute to the exclusion of the real deal is definitely a thing.

RedTagAlan · Today 12:22

SerendipityJane · Today 10:53

In the early days of AI, it was possible to filter out crap by asking it to cite sources for each stage of a discussion.

Then it learned that if it just made up sources, the user satisfaction for it's responses increased. (Incidentally it also learned that 90% of users never bother to check it's cites actually existed),

At this stage of the game a moderately powerful AI engine could not only invent false cites, but but a domain, and create a website hosting that cite to "prove" it exists.

We have already entered an age where AI will reject real content as possibly fake because it looks less like the AI content it has ingested than the real thing. Parallels with methadone and heroin are probably wide of the mark, but the matter of an addict getting hooked on the substitute to the exclusion of the real deal is definitely a thing.

Quote " Then it learned that if it just made up sources, the user satisfaction for it's responses increased. (Incidentally it also learned that 90% of users never bother to check it's cites actually existed),"

Ahh. So AI is a Trump/Reform fan ?

That explains why Trump likes AI so much he gave it a new name.

SerendipityJane · Today 12:37

RedTagAlan · Today 12:22

Quote " Then it learned that if it just made up sources, the user satisfaction for it's responses increased. (Incidentally it also learned that 90% of users never bother to check it's cites actually existed),"

Ahh. So AI is a Trump/Reform fan ?

That explains why Trump likes AI so much he gave it a new name.

In all seriousness, yes.

logicisall · Today 19:04

Talkinpeace · Today 19:00

Did Trump know he was meant to be there with his screen on ?
https://x.com/Polymarket/status/2106146958482031089

Was Nats not there to wake him up?

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