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Is life always this crappy

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sincerestwonders · Today 13:43

Any one else feel like this but I dunno why my life has been just so hard lately for me and my 17 1/2 year old daughter. Last year I felt completely different, this year I feel burnt out and just bored and unmotivated. I have a guy who keeps coming in and out my life he works abroad so he isnt a stable presence but I feel stuck and dunno if any of you have similar life experience or advice as that would be so useful.
My daughter has not been to school since age 8. I chose not to keep her in school because of some of the things we encountered in her school such as staff pinning kids down in isolation rooms as a punishment and like harming "bad" kids by restraining them in the classroom, which I did not want my young daughter to see or felt was appropriate.
She has been home educated since then. At the minute she has 2 gcses, a 9 in Spanish and 8 in computing/ICT. Her maths and english skills are quite subpar to be honest. She is a good speller, yet struggles with reading long books and guessing the "intention" of authors which is what a lot of GCSE is about. Her maths is reasonable and probably key stage 3 level, not the best but GCSE math standards are so high these days. In the last year she has done a cookery course, several language courses, business administration basics and we were asked to do an art course which she bloody hates and has no artistic talent really but we are 3/5 of the way through that and she just cant think of ideas and hates it and obviously wishes she was doing something else. The obvious thing to do next is driving, but the theory test I dont quite know how to study for it seen as I havent driven since I was in my 20s cos we live in an urban area where we can bus walk everywhere. The other thing I struggle with is deciding on the gold DOFE program. She has done it for 18 months, did all sections and loved the volunteering element. Its done all bits except the Expedition, and honestly how is a weeks walking, eating garbage and carrying a 20kg bag up a mountain useful to the development of a young person? This isnt the 1940s. We originally did this with a dofe open award center. She attended 2 training days. On the first one she was assigned to a team of 5 other girls, all of whom were friends from that posh arse Hills Road college in Cambridge. They ignored and excluded my already friendless daughter and walked ahead. My daughter is 5ft 4 70kg and is not unfit, she does swimming and dance, but no way can she walk 20 miles a day like they suggested with a back breaking Army bergen. The idiots said the expedition was to take place in summer. Considering the heatwaves we have had its a recipe for sun stroke, burns and nausea. On the second day she asked whether she could have a parent see her at a particular point of the day or night as she is high anxiety and gets sick when away overnight from parents she can stay at nanas house without us but it seems being away at night without parents presence is traumatic for her. She went to mendip activity center last year and being away led to panic attacks and a drinking episode. They said no,okay, but I dont think they care about her needs. The food is another troubling element. They suggested eating those gross ration pack boil in a bag meals. My daughter wont eat them preferring fresh foods, and wouldnt eat any with meat in them due to concern of quality. She would have to handle bottle gas, flames, putting up a tent, no contact even a mobile phone with parents, possible injury, carrying own excrement, managing herself miles from anywhere at 17 YEARS OLD what is this SAS basic training? We had her walk 10ks every week, every time her feet would begin to blister and bleed she has size 3 feet for context with the bag on so I decided to leave that centre and look at these expensive private expeditions on canoes but she wont do that either. This has led to a lot of arguments with me and her dad who the dad says stop pushing and she has done enough already. The final issue is she obviously doesnt want to go to uni next year but she just cant think of what job/career to do and seems to have lost interest in anything. Sorry to rant but any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

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Cantthinkofadifferentname · Today 20:47

Are you sure the residential will count?
Which organisation are you doing this through?

What group activities were done in the evening?
You shouldn't stay with family, there is provision for a carer, but from my DofE experience an EHCP would be needed to back up need for a carer.

From DofE website

You must be away from home for a minimum of five days and four nights. These should be consecutive but can be split into two blocks within 12 months.
You should be in an unfamiliar residential setting.
You must stay in shared accommodation with your group for the entire residential. This shouldn’t include staying with friends or relatives
Shared activities should take place during the day and the evening and must be purposeful, group-based, and unpaid. This could be training courses, environment and conservation projects, volunteering or be activity-based.
The majority of participants should be unknown to you.
Groups should have at least five people, including you.
The majority of staff should be unknown to you.
You should research suitable activities, discuss your interests with your DofE Leader, and follow any pre-activity instructions.
Your Licensed Organisation must approve the planned residential and the named Assessor in advance.
Flexibilities are available to ensure that participants with specific individual needs can access a residential. These could include:
Participants can request downtime away from activities
Carers are allowed
Participants with specific individual needs can attend with their Leaders.
Any flexibilities should be in keeping with the guiding principles of the aim, principles and outcomes of the Residential section. The flexibilities should also reflect a participant’s individual needs and should be discussed and agreed before approval.

IStillHearTheWaves · Today 20:48

sincerestwonders · Today 14:13

Hills Road is for uni bound middle class snobs. You have to have like 8 gcses to get in.

Fucking hell, snobs?

You and your attitude problem have destroyed your daughter's life.

YourKeenMauveJoker · Today 20:49

sincerestwonders · Today 17:11

#givemesteel

You should have seen that school. A "normal" school where they treat kids like animals. The government need to DBS check all school staff and highly regulate methods of punishment of children.

They do DBS all staff! You don't seem to know anything about education, your poor daughter.

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Shesafancyflapjack · Today 20:49

Please read this posters other threads, including one about her sons crooked teeth, she has been asking the same questions about careers and education for her daughter, and also said she is obsessed with pregnancy and checks her body. At no point does she recognise that her daughter seems increasingly unwell or accept advice. If genuine this posters inability to seek help for her daughters wellbeing is concerning.

Springsummertime · Today 20:50

Are you mentally well?

TheLemonLemur · Today 20:50

Are you surprised she can't decide what to pursue career wise? You have made every decision for her - you decided about school, you can't decide about DOE, you don't know how to study for theory. She didn't enjoy art course as couldn't think of ideas. Sorry op this is on you for helicopter parenting and micro managing her life with the result being she has no coping or decision making skills

jonesonscam · Today 20:51

sincerestwonders · Today 17:17

This school was back in 2014 before dbs checking existed

You seem very certain about certain elements of education without displaying any actual knowledge of it. For example, I worked in ed in THE EARLY NOUGHTIES and needed full DBS.

You have experience of one crappy school, which presumably you initially chose to send your child to in the first place.

If she can’t complete a class or course without you then DD sounds like she has significant SEN. I would hazard a guess at autism with a pda profile based on your posts - I work in this area so I have quite a bit of experience. If your DD were in a regular setting this would possibly have been picked up on already.

Lobsterteapot · Today 20:51

What the fuck have I just read? Op you’re not overprotective you’re bloody neglectful! Poor kids

jonesonscam · Today 20:52

Springsummertime · Today 20:50

Are you mentally well?

Op Is very stream of consciousness, aren’t they? Quite scattered.

LivingForTheWinter · Today 20:53

Unfortunately there does seem to be an increase of posters who use MN as an outlet for a stream of consciousness, it's so deeply unhelpful for them.

Carandache18 · Today 20:55

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FlyingPandas · Today 20:57

Queenofthestonage · Today 20:41

I think they were called CRB checks before DBS, my husband had to have them in the early 2000’s to coach football
Did you report what was going on at the primary school? Surely the best option would have been to find her a better school, she needs to get into college as soon as possible and try to salvage something while she’s still young. Why are you also homeschooling the 15 year old? You should also try to get him into formal education asap

Yup - the original CRB checks were introduced in 2002. Replaced by the DBS (Disclosures and Barring Service) in 2012.

So by 2014 DBS checks were well and truly established. @sincerestwonders
comments that ' The government need to DBS check all school staff and highly regulate methods of punishment of children.'....um, they already do, and certainly were doing by 2014.

I feel so sorry for the OP's children. God knows it's hard enough out there for young adults who have had a good social grounding and a decent education. It's going to be a million times harder for those who have had neither.

Pussygaloregalapagos · Today 20:57

Ok, alot to unpick there. I think the DofE might be one to ditch. The point of it is to help kids to learn to cope with difficult and challenging situations. If your DD is not physically, mentally or emotionally able to embark on the challenges then it is not for her. The reason it is worth doing is that it is not easy...that is the whole point of it! One of my daughters did the Gold and said the Expedition was the hardest bit - said it was both the worst and best week of her life. Doing hard things and overcoming things is incredibly challenging. My other daughter though who went to one meeting about the DofE, didn't listen but then claimed that she had done DofE.... as she thought going to the meeting was it! Rest of the family guffawed as she was gonna put it on her CV. Academically things look challenging for your DD. If she did want to go to University she could do a Foundation course. Since she is only 17.5 now she could still get 1 to 2 years free education at an further education college so do BTecs or even A'levels or learn a trade perhaps. College is a lot different from school and she is not 8 anymore. The school she went to sounds awful!

TheLemonLemur · Today 20:59

sincerestwonders · Today 17:17

This school was back in 2014 before dbs checking existed

Utter nonsense (I suspect along with much of your primary experience). DBS checks were in place in 2014 I underwent one for a job in a college

Birdcatdog · Today 20:59

Honestly you sound mentally unwell! Get help for yourself and your kids

Lobsterteapot · Today 21:01

Pussygaloregalapagos · Today 20:57

Ok, alot to unpick there. I think the DofE might be one to ditch. The point of it is to help kids to learn to cope with difficult and challenging situations. If your DD is not physically, mentally or emotionally able to embark on the challenges then it is not for her. The reason it is worth doing is that it is not easy...that is the whole point of it! One of my daughters did the Gold and said the Expedition was the hardest bit - said it was both the worst and best week of her life. Doing hard things and overcoming things is incredibly challenging. My other daughter though who went to one meeting about the DofE, didn't listen but then claimed that she had done DofE.... as she thought going to the meeting was it! Rest of the family guffawed as she was gonna put it on her CV. Academically things look challenging for your DD. If she did want to go to University she could do a Foundation course. Since she is only 17.5 now she could still get 1 to 2 years free education at an further education college so do BTecs or even A'levels or learn a trade perhaps. College is a lot different from school and she is not 8 anymore. The school she went to sounds awful!

I don’t think this school actually exists tbh

WishIStudiedScience · Today 21:05

sincerestwonders · Today 18:04

She comes to me crying last night how lonely she is how unwanted her peers make her feel how she feels 12 years old. What do i do it breaks my heart to see this

That is your fault.

Pussygaloregalapagos · Today 21:11

sincerestwonders · Today 14:18

I did education to A level and did temp work/data entry. In the 2000s the push to go to uni was bigger than it is today and it was rare for 18 year olds not to go. I was the minority for not going. I regret not going, and will probably go when my daughters left home

This is not true. In the 2000's 30-40% went to University and in the 2020's it is 50-53%

Pussygaloregalapagos · Today 21:14

You need to enrol her in a college course NOW while it is still the beginning of the academic year and you still are able to. She needs external influences in her life.

Howmanycatsistoomany · Today 21:16

sincerestwonders · Today 14:11

Yes, i am a registered home educator. I provide 6 hours of learning 5 days a week and work part time

And yet your daughter only has 2 GCSEs. And you seriously believe uni is an option? Poor kid never stood a chance.

sickofsixseven · Today 21:20

OsfameronTanamoril · Today 19:04

True. But she can still avoid repeating the same mistakes with her son.

Not if she won't admit her mistakes though. If this is real its a sad situation for those kids

Waitingfordoggo · Today 21:25

HouseBee · Today 20:04

Most unhelpful comment.

Disagree! I thought that was a kind post from @Constantrunner. The comment she is responding to is the sort of thing people sometimes say when they are thinking of harming themselves. Hopefully that’s not the case here but that phrase and others like it can sometimes be an alarm call, and Constantrunner was responding to that in a compassionate way, I thought.

Over40Overdating · Today 21:39

bt1234 · Today 20:08

It feels like this was written as an extreme example of how home education can completely ruin a child's life and prospects.
It's so awful that i really hope it's not true.
And other home educators who are working hard to give their children a well rounded education must be appalled.
What on earth have you done for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week for the last 8 years??

I imagine at least 5.5 of those daily hours were spent ranting about snobs and feeling sorry for herself. It seems to be the into thing she puts effort into.

sickofsixseven · Today 21:53

Are braces also for snobs OP? Why didnt you get your children's teeth sorted when they were younger? Its not like you were too busy educating them or taking them to social events

Justploddingonandon · Today 21:56

Fasthorses · Today 20:44

But she was in school until age 8 she would already have been able to read by that age, most developmentally normal kids are reading chapter books by age 8.

If it took a further 5 years for your duaughter to learn to read and write there are clearly significant SEN /developmental needs you are glossing over

Age 8 is what year 3? Even a really shit school should’ve noticed if a child had got to that stage without being able to read or write at all. If that is the case then I suggest getting her assessed for dyslexia, it’s a shame she didn’t stay in school a bit longer as that’s about the age it can first be diagnosed.
I’m also surprised she couldn’t pass GCSE maths if at a year 8/9 level as there is less of a jump between the end of primary content and the foundation paper than most people imagine. Saying that if she is dyslexic or struggles with inference she may not understand what the more wordy questions are actually asking for even if she can do the maths.