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Is life always this crappy

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sincerestwonders · Today 13:43

Any one else feel like this but I dunno why my life has been just so hard lately for me and my 17 1/2 year old daughter. Last year I felt completely different, this year I feel burnt out and just bored and unmotivated. I have a guy who keeps coming in and out my life he works abroad so he isnt a stable presence but I feel stuck and dunno if any of you have similar life experience or advice as that would be so useful.
My daughter has not been to school since age 8. I chose not to keep her in school because of some of the things we encountered in her school such as staff pinning kids down in isolation rooms as a punishment and like harming "bad" kids by restraining them in the classroom, which I did not want my young daughter to see or felt was appropriate.
She has been home educated since then. At the minute she has 2 gcses, a 9 in Spanish and 8 in computing/ICT. Her maths and english skills are quite subpar to be honest. She is a good speller, yet struggles with reading long books and guessing the "intention" of authors which is what a lot of GCSE is about. Her maths is reasonable and probably key stage 3 level, not the best but GCSE math standards are so high these days. In the last year she has done a cookery course, several language courses, business administration basics and we were asked to do an art course which she bloody hates and has no artistic talent really but we are 3/5 of the way through that and she just cant think of ideas and hates it and obviously wishes she was doing something else. The obvious thing to do next is driving, but the theory test I dont quite know how to study for it seen as I havent driven since I was in my 20s cos we live in an urban area where we can bus walk everywhere. The other thing I struggle with is deciding on the gold DOFE program. She has done it for 18 months, did all sections and loved the volunteering element. Its done all bits except the Expedition, and honestly how is a weeks walking, eating garbage and carrying a 20kg bag up a mountain useful to the development of a young person? This isnt the 1940s. We originally did this with a dofe open award center. She attended 2 training days. On the first one she was assigned to a team of 5 other girls, all of whom were friends from that posh arse Hills Road college in Cambridge. They ignored and excluded my already friendless daughter and walked ahead. My daughter is 5ft 4 70kg and is not unfit, she does swimming and dance, but no way can she walk 20 miles a day like they suggested with a back breaking Army bergen. The idiots said the expedition was to take place in summer. Considering the heatwaves we have had its a recipe for sun stroke, burns and nausea. On the second day she asked whether she could have a parent see her at a particular point of the day or night as she is high anxiety and gets sick when away overnight from parents she can stay at nanas house without us but it seems being away at night without parents presence is traumatic for her. She went to mendip activity center last year and being away led to panic attacks and a drinking episode. They said no,okay, but I dont think they care about her needs. The food is another troubling element. They suggested eating those gross ration pack boil in a bag meals. My daughter wont eat them preferring fresh foods, and wouldnt eat any with meat in them due to concern of quality. She would have to handle bottle gas, flames, putting up a tent, no contact even a mobile phone with parents, possible injury, carrying own excrement, managing herself miles from anywhere at 17 YEARS OLD what is this SAS basic training? We had her walk 10ks every week, every time her feet would begin to blister and bleed she has size 3 feet for context with the bag on so I decided to leave that centre and look at these expensive private expeditions on canoes but she wont do that either. This has led to a lot of arguments with me and her dad who the dad says stop pushing and she has done enough already. The final issue is she obviously doesnt want to go to uni next year but she just cant think of what job/career to do and seems to have lost interest in anything. Sorry to rant but any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

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rjfiih · Today 20:06

HouseBee · Today 20:04

Most unhelpful comment.

How is that unhelpful?
If the OP does feel that awful then the Samaritans would be a good place to start as they provide a listening ear.

MissingMeadow · Today 20:07

I'd be getting your (imaginary) son into a school immediately so he doesn't end up like your daughter.

Ilikesundays · Today 20:07

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 14:29

My DD2 only has Maths and English GCSE at a 4.

What do you say to that?

Edited

Not very impressed.

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bt1234 · Today 20:08

It feels like this was written as an extreme example of how home education can completely ruin a child's life and prospects.
It's so awful that i really hope it's not true.
And other home educators who are working hard to give their children a well rounded education must be appalled.
What on earth have you done for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week for the last 8 years??

beautifuldaytosavelives · Today 20:10

What you describe as happening in the primary school does not happen in primary schools all over the country; instances are incredibly rare and I am curious as to what action you took for the poor victim.
Everything you describe is concerning and I would urge you to seek professional help for both your daughter and yourself in terms of anxiety and coping strategies.
In terms of propelling your almost adult daughter forward, you should consider relinquishing your control and seeking support from an FE college, where she can embark on an appropriate level course, get support for her emotional and social difficulties and eventually work towards some qualifications. University sounds many years away, if ever.
Please return your son to a professional education setting before he ends up the same. Consider a UTC if you’re dissatisfied with ‘normal’ school.

BridalFeastofBethChadruharazzeb · Today 20:12

sincerestwonders · Today 17:11

#givemesteel

You should have seen that school. A "normal" school where they treat kids like animals. The government need to DBS check all school staff and highly regulate methods of punishment of children.

So why didn't you move to a different area with a better school

seriousandloyal · Today 20:15

In case this is actually real, this is so tragic for those poor children who have been stunted and failed like this. No friends and no education and no ability to mix with others. Really sad.

bewilderedhedgehog · Today 20:15

sincerestwonders · Today 14:13

Hills Road is for uni bound middle class snobs. You have to have like 8 gcses to get in.

I’m sorry but you are being prejudiced here. My daughter went to Hills Road. It’s a good school with a huge mix of children and just not true that they are all middle class snobs

OneoftheWeddingPeople · Today 20:15

Where is the father in all this? Surely he should have intervened?

Fasthorses · Today 20:16

sincerestwonders · Today 14:22

Uni- its her choice. Im not pushing her to go. I said its probably best to go when shes 21. I am just about to begin functional skills maths for her. Shes born march 2009 for context.

OP i dont understand how you think she is going to get into university when she's only just now doing functional maths at 17.5?

Do you realise university is for quite rigorous academic study in specialist study and requires quite demanding level 3 qualifications to get in, in the first place? If she only managed to secure 2 GCSE's, neither of which were the basic maths and english, how is she going to cope with stuff like A-levels or level 3 Btechs with lots of demanding coursework?

Kgiggl3s · Today 20:21

I very rarely comment on anything but this has really got to me and I feel so so sad reading this. These poor children. I understand the meaning of Munchausen syndrome and know this isn't quite the right fit, but it feels like something very wrong is going on here. These children need help.

SylvanMoon · Today 20:22

sincerestwonders · Today 14:00

Everyone says I'm a bad, overprotective parent and Im sick of it. I think taking my daughter out of the pressure and anxiety of school was the best thing to do given circumstance she has had a comprehensive home education to 16 and has done some specialist courses. I am aware she needs more of a social life but she has suffered high anxiety as a kid around school, puberty, her emotions, extreme pressure and demand.

But you daughter does not have a full complement of GCSEs, not even in the basics of English and Maths, so she hasn't had a "comprehensive home education to 16". I remember your previous thread about the DoE Gold, in which it was clear that neither you nor your DD appreciated what was involved nor the purpose of the DoE award. That you are even mentioning university as a possibility for your daughter who is possibly functionally illiterate is ridiculous. The best thing you can do for her right now is get her enrolled in an Further Education college where she can either sit English and Maths GCSEs or functional skills alongside some sort of vocational training or qualification. You need to let her figure out how she's going to function as an adult (regardless of what you think her mental/emotional capacity is or isn't).

CalliopeFosterBeauchamp · Today 20:23

Corinthiana · Today 15:38

I know, it's shocking. God knows what's happening to some of these young people.

As an aside, my friend pulled her child out of school when he was 9, because he was being bullied. She believes he’s autistic although he hasn’t got a diagnosis.

He spent 9 years at home studying online (I don’t know the name of the programme he followed but it was online lessons - he wasn’t just browsing the internet) and he got ten GCSEs and then 3 A-levels. However, he had no friends and barely left the house for 9 years. I asked about meet ups with other home-schooled children and was told he “found it too hard”. Apparently she tried twice and then let him give up.

He had an offer from Oxford - dropped out in his first term as he couldn’t deal with the social interaction required. Same story at Bristol the following year, and then at Newcastle the year after. He’s now 22 and studying online (at home) for an IT qualification. He still has no friends and never speaks to anyone except her. I’d be very very surprised if he was ever able to leave home.

She’s enabled him to get qualifications, but I honestly think pulling him out of school has ruined his life. He can’t cope with going into a shop and asking for something / basic conversation at the till, never mind a job interview.

OrangeFlower14 · Today 20:26

I don’t think D of E is right for her

Most kids don’t do it and they certainly don’t do it to gold level

It doesn’t need changing it’s just not right for her - and all the kids don’t do it!

Noodledog · Today 20:26

sincerestwonders · Today 17:28

A 7 year old lies on the floor of a room the size of a cupboard covered in bruises. This is a punishment for refusing to do maths or PE. The child is locked in the room for hours. The staff watch the child through the slit window in a door with a 1 way lock.
This is a normal UK state school. SEE WHY I HOME ED?

No. That didn't happen, did it? If this is a serious thread, at least be honest, otherwise the entire thread is a waste of everybody's time.

Stinkybooks · Today 20:27

sincerestwonders · Today 17:07

If she goes to college it would be next september as my home ed always went from january to january. Dunno if at 18 it would be worth it. I can try and get her into Peterborough for maths and maybe english but first need to work on her social skills and her emotions

Hello @sincerestwonders I HEd my two for many years (successfully, they are now independent adults) so I’m reading your post as a fellow homeedder.
Have you posted about this before? Specifically the d of e element?
A lot of what you’ve said seems familiar to me.

As UK schools function September to August I’m confused why you have HEd January to December and stuck with that even as your dd has got older as it is so at odds with UK schools/colleges.
why did you not try to get her into college at 16/17? The 16-19 funding pathway stops at 19 so your struggle to get her free funding for most subjects very soon.

LivingForTheWinter · Today 20:29

I'm just wondering what's with all the weird hedgehogs usernames suddenly?!

bettyrubble99 · Today 20:37

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Anjelika · Today 20:38

How could university even be an option when her English and Maths are so poor? I hate to say this but I think the way you have raised your daughter is verging on child abuse. To keep her off school since the age of 8 yet have very little in place for education? I can’t believe social services haven’t been on your case to be honest. Your poor daughter.

thislittlelife · Today 20:40

Honestly, this was really hard to follow so I hope I've hot the gist.

There is a reason that teaching is a degree level profession. Lots of people are disillusioned with the school system, but you have really let her down by pulling her out witbout a robust homeschooling plan in place. It's not the sort of thing to just have a go at and hope you get by on a wing and a prayer. How did you map out her curriculum? If you were unable to teach the English and Maths to an adequate standard, why on earth didn't you get her a tutor or join local homeschooling groups?

The best thing you can do at this point is focus on the English and Maths as this is what every future employer will look for as a minimum. Functional Skills if she can't cope with GCSE. Enrol her in classes at a local college or get her a tutor.

Queenofthestonage · Today 20:41

sincerestwonders · Today 17:17

This school was back in 2014 before dbs checking existed

I think they were called CRB checks before DBS, my husband had to have them in the early 2000’s to coach football
Did you report what was going on at the primary school? Surely the best option would have been to find her a better school, she needs to get into college as soon as possible and try to salvage something while she’s still young. Why are you also homeschooling the 15 year old? You should also try to get him into formal education asap

OneShyQuail · Today 20:44

sincerestwonders · Today 17:17

This school was back in 2014 before dbs checking existed

This is utter s*ite

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Fasthorses · Today 20:44

sincerestwonders · Today 16:55

Chunkybabythighs

.Taught her to read and write the latter of which took about 5 years
.Taught her to about a year 8/9 level of maths
.Taught her Spanish from scratch
.Let her experiment with different hobbies
.Given her a safe environment to go through puberty
.Tried getting help for her anxiety and speechtherapy

But she was in school until age 8 she would already have been able to read by that age, most developmentally normal kids are reading chapter books by age 8.

If it took a further 5 years for your duaughter to learn to read and write there are clearly significant SEN /developmental needs you are glossing over

JetFlight · Today 20:45

Is this real? As well as not educating your daughter, not socialising her, she has teeth crooked enough to be noticed? Your poor daughter hasn’t had the care she’s needed.
Get her to an orthodontist while she’s still below 18. It’s free.
Get her into college and support her with her studies there.

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