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sincerestwonders · Today 13:43

Any one else feel like this but I dunno why my life has been just so hard lately for me and my 17 1/2 year old daughter. Last year I felt completely different, this year I feel burnt out and just bored and unmotivated. I have a guy who keeps coming in and out my life he works abroad so he isnt a stable presence but I feel stuck and dunno if any of you have similar life experience or advice as that would be so useful.
My daughter has not been to school since age 8. I chose not to keep her in school because of some of the things we encountered in her school such as staff pinning kids down in isolation rooms as a punishment and like harming "bad" kids by restraining them in the classroom, which I did not want my young daughter to see or felt was appropriate.
She has been home educated since then. At the minute she has 2 gcses, a 9 in Spanish and 8 in computing/ICT. Her maths and english skills are quite subpar to be honest. She is a good speller, yet struggles with reading long books and guessing the "intention" of authors which is what a lot of GCSE is about. Her maths is reasonable and probably key stage 3 level, not the best but GCSE math standards are so high these days. In the last year she has done a cookery course, several language courses, business administration basics and we were asked to do an art course which she bloody hates and has no artistic talent really but we are 3/5 of the way through that and she just cant think of ideas and hates it and obviously wishes she was doing something else. The obvious thing to do next is driving, but the theory test I dont quite know how to study for it seen as I havent driven since I was in my 20s cos we live in an urban area where we can bus walk everywhere. The other thing I struggle with is deciding on the gold DOFE program. She has done it for 18 months, did all sections and loved the volunteering element. Its done all bits except the Expedition, and honestly how is a weeks walking, eating garbage and carrying a 20kg bag up a mountain useful to the development of a young person? This isnt the 1940s. We originally did this with a dofe open award center. She attended 2 training days. On the first one she was assigned to a team of 5 other girls, all of whom were friends from that posh arse Hills Road college in Cambridge. They ignored and excluded my already friendless daughter and walked ahead. My daughter is 5ft 4 70kg and is not unfit, she does swimming and dance, but no way can she walk 20 miles a day like they suggested with a back breaking Army bergen. The idiots said the expedition was to take place in summer. Considering the heatwaves we have had its a recipe for sun stroke, burns and nausea. On the second day she asked whether she could have a parent see her at a particular point of the day or night as she is high anxiety and gets sick when away overnight from parents she can stay at nanas house without us but it seems being away at night without parents presence is traumatic for her. She went to mendip activity center last year and being away led to panic attacks and a drinking episode. They said no,okay, but I dont think they care about her needs. The food is another troubling element. They suggested eating those gross ration pack boil in a bag meals. My daughter wont eat them preferring fresh foods, and wouldnt eat any with meat in them due to concern of quality. She would have to handle bottle gas, flames, putting up a tent, no contact even a mobile phone with parents, possible injury, carrying own excrement, managing herself miles from anywhere at 17 YEARS OLD what is this SAS basic training? We had her walk 10ks every week, every time her feet would begin to blister and bleed she has size 3 feet for context with the bag on so I decided to leave that centre and look at these expensive private expeditions on canoes but she wont do that either. This has led to a lot of arguments with me and her dad who the dad says stop pushing and she has done enough already. The final issue is she obviously doesnt want to go to uni next year but she just cant think of what job/career to do and seems to have lost interest in anything. Sorry to rant but any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

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sincerestwonders · Today 18:58

Somedays I wanna give up.

OP posts:
Constantrunner · Today 18:58

GCSE English can be hard for many pupils. But without GCSE English and maths she will really struggle. For most courses and many jobs it is the minimum requirement. Please prioritise them.

And don't get her doing functional English and maths with trying GCSEs first. Functional skills are for kids who struggle in school and often had very poor attendance or significant SEN. Functional skills are better than nothing, but not as good as GCSEs.

Notbuiltforheat · Today 18:58

Deadleaves77 · Today 13:51

Does your daughter have SEN?

The mum does.

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Constantrunner · Today 18:59

sincerestwonders · Today 18:58

Somedays I wanna give up.

Many of us feel like that some days. If you ever seriously feel like that, please contact Samaritans. Your daughter needs you.

Brandnewneveragain · Today 19:00

sincerestwonders · Today 18:44

For the residential we did nottingham trent university open week and I could go with her to classes and stay in her room

This isn’t real is it? You can’t think this is ok?

Constantrunner · Today 19:01

Enrol her in college. Talk to your local college about study available that includes English and maths GCSEs.
And once she turns 18 she could try and get some part time work alongside her college courses.

DwayneDibleysTeeth · Today 19:02

sincerestwonders · Today 17:51

Do any of you know how hard Gcse english is.

I am an English tutor who has been asked to tutor many students in care, care leavers, school refusers, or with high needs. You need access to the right exam syllabus - they are not all equal. The igcse versions are usually more accessible. If I lived near you, I could get your daughter through English Language with at least a Grade 4 pass, even if it took more than one academic year. Find a private tutor near you who can provide similar experiences, and both your children can get their English sorted. Without English and maths, they will find in very hard to get most jobs. (Caveat - while FS Level 2 is the equivalent to a GCSE Grade 4 pass, many employers prefer an actual GCSE, but it is a good second choice.)

TheeNotoriousPIG · Today 19:03

Are there any vocational colleges near you, OP, or that your DD could commute to? I ask as I work at one, and we often get home educated students joining at 16, either with or without GCSE results. They are enrolled on college courses, studying GCSE Maths and English alongside, and tend to work their way up to Level 3 (A-Level equivalent) courses. Our college is also much better for more anxious students, who perhaps aren't necessarily academic, but are good with practical skills (e.g. agriculture, carpentry, forestry, hairdressing and sports). What does she like- animals, sport, working with children, etc.?

As for driving, a friend who also has anxiety would recommend that your DD learns in an automatic car. Start the practical lessons to begin with, and the instructor will be able to give guidance on how to access online courses in preparation for the driving theory course. If she can drive, it will open up her world a lot. I was anxious about driving and didn't learn until I was in my twenties, but I got there in the end, and am now happy to drive all over the UK. My anxious friends who struggle with manual cars have all felt much more confident in automatic vehicles.

Although it is a good thing to have, and some of the experiences might be interesting to her, drop the gold D of E for now, unless she particularly wants to complete it. Focus on her Maths, English and driving, because those are the most likely things she will need to further her education and open up job prospects.

moggiek · Today 19:04

In your other thread you say your daughter also has GCSE French at 8. Did she do that in 2026, or maybe earlier?

OsfameronTanamoril · Today 19:04

FlowerUser · Today 18:28

Thank you.

I think the OP has faced some challenges and is really asking for support here. And while I do understand the comments about her not setting her daughter up for adult life, I don't think they are helpful.

What is done is done. Her daughter is in the situation she finds herself in and I thought I would see if there was anything to help the OP.

True. But she can still avoid repeating the same mistakes with her son.

WhyTheFNot · Today 19:05

sincerestwonders · Today 14:02

I said when she is 18 she can go to college or work, but now I wonder whether to just let her go to college, because she has high anxiety and poor social skills. She has been bullied at primary school and just struggled as a kid to adapt to the school environment.

When you say “I said when she is 18 she can go to college or work” …. “I wonder whether to just let her go to college” …. are you saying she has been asking to go to college before now, but you haven’t allowed it yet?

NamechangeRugby · Today 19:05

FlowerUser · Today 18:20

I don't know how near Cambridge is to you, but there are two colleges she may enjoy.

Cambridge Regional College is based in Kings Hedges Road in Cambridge, and in California Road in Huntingdon.

I saw an alternative Learning Provision course here https://www.camre.ac.uk/courses/alternative-learning-provision-14-19/ You would need to apply now for next year as they only take a few Elective Home-Educated Pupils, and you need to be registered with the local authority as a home educator. This course offers

Functional Skills qualifications in English and Maths
Qualifications in Personal Development, Art, Sport, and Fitness.
Vocational sessions in areas such as Hair and Beauty, Construction, Catering and Hospitality.

Alternatively, looking at her qualifications, she only needs two GCSEs and a Welcome Day Visit to get onto this course - it's a level one course in media from the University of the Arts. It's a foundation for an Animation and Games Development, so I wondered if she would like that.
https://www.camre.ac.uk/course/ual-level-1-diploma-in-media/MG1MED/

Their full courses for 16+ are here - https://www.camre.ac.uk/16-courses/

Or she could go to the College of West Anglia based in Milton, Cambridge, * *where they have this Hummingbird course for people like your daughter - You have had negative school experiences and maybe have a diagnosis of PTSD alongside learning disability. You have no formal qualifications and therefore do not have the entry requirements for your chosen subjects but do have the academic ability. You are likely to have been home schooled and will have extreme anxiety about coming to college and will require a long transition with a big lead up to your chosen subject.
https://cwa.ac.uk/courses/inclusive-learning/hummingbird

This campus is where they also teach Equine Care and Dog Grooming, so it has lots of animals which she may like, and there is an open day in October https://cwa.ac.uk/news/events/event/253-open-evening-cambridge-campus-22nd-oct-2026

The Maths and English Functional Skills are taught at Kings Lynn and Wisbech, and not Cambridge, but maybe the Hummingbird course would be a good start.

They have a lot of information about student welfare as well, and it looks like they take student support very seriously. I hope you find something for her.

Wow, that looks amazing!

In fact, so amazingly perfect... is this thread a type of advert? (I am so very skeptical now about everything 🤣, but it does sound amazing)

Viviennemary · Today 19:12

sincerestwonders · Today 13:56

She doesnt have SEN but has high anxiety and her development is maybe 2 years or so behind peers she was a highly anxious child but it isnt her or my fault

She should have been in school all these years but now has missed all this schooling. Maybe she could join a course in basic skills in an FE college. This is the world we live in and unless she becomes a recluse (which sadly does happen) she needs to get out into the world and engage with her fellow human beings.

RaininSummer · Today 19:12

This is a depressing read. A 'smother mother' who thinks educated people are snobs. That poor girl does need to get to college before she ages out of free education. University is way off as she will need A Levels or equivalents for that. I think she needs to get on some kind of vocational course or even an apprenticeship to build some confidence and rejoin the world. The D.ofE seemed an odd choice for her and utterly pointless since any minor complaint leads to her Mum withdrawing her. She isn't vulnerable as such but has no resilience or initiative. No wonder so many people are suspicious if home ed as in the competition of life, this lass is still on the starting blocks

Notellinganyone · Today 19:16

DoNoTakeNo · Today 13:53

If this were in AIBU I’d say that you definitely are, bringing your DD up this way - sorry.
Events like the DoE expeditions teach resilience, as well as practical skills (obviously not all of those are useful every day, but some are sometimes).
I’m not normally this harsh, but imo she needs so much more in her life than the last 9 years have provided her: she’s missed the whole of High School and that leaves a massive gap in any child’s socialisation, resilience, emotional maturity & other critical areas of development.
It doesn’t seem like she is in any way ready for university even if she did have the requisite qualifications.
To give he a fighting chance, I would encourage her to enrol in a local college and get her GCSE Maths & English, with a few others whilst she does that. Then she can start to find her own way in life - and the sooner the better.

Agreed. The school sounds awful but there are other schools. GCSE English is not about guessing the intentions of the author. It’s about understanding, appreciation and analysis. As for D of E, none of mine did it because it wasn’t their bag but it’s bizarre to complain about the actual expedition which is the whole point of it !

Ethelspagetti · Today 19:17

She really needs to socialise with peers to build her confidence. Enroll her for college then maybe an apprenticeship. She needs to grow and develop and make friends. She will be fine.

LittleGreenDuck · Today 19:18

Brandnewneveragain · Today 19:00

This isn’t real is it? You can’t think this is ok?

Yeah, exactly that! I can’t see that being signed off by an assessor. Rules state the young person can have a carer with them, but that’s for children with disabilities and has to be pre approved. Not mum holding your hand.

Notellinganyone · Today 19:18

DwayneDibleysTeeth · Today 19:02

I am an English tutor who has been asked to tutor many students in care, care leavers, school refusers, or with high needs. You need access to the right exam syllabus - they are not all equal. The igcse versions are usually more accessible. If I lived near you, I could get your daughter through English Language with at least a Grade 4 pass, even if it took more than one academic year. Find a private tutor near you who can provide similar experiences, and both your children can get their English sorted. Without English and maths, they will find in very hard to get most jobs. (Caveat - while FS Level 2 is the equivalent to a GCSE Grade 4 pass, many employers prefer an actual GCSE, but it is a good second choice.)

Yes. It’s really not that hard and I should know as I’ve been teaching it for over 30 years.

Imisscoffee2021 · Today 19:24

sincerestwonders · Today 17:28

A 7 year old lies on the floor of a room the size of a cupboard covered in bruises. This is a punishment for refusing to do maths or PE. The child is locked in the room for hours. The staff watch the child through the slit window in a door with a 1 way lock.
This is a normal UK state school. SEE WHY I HOME ED?

Sounds like something out of Roald Dahl, did you report this abuse to the police? As that description warrants police attention in any modern day school era post 1980s at least, and morally before too.

1985goingbackagain · Today 19:24

sincerestwonders · Today 17:19

I try. I have tried for her to make friends over the years. She is a highly sociable girl but some people her age have treated her like sh*t and she seems to always have like outsider status

But your expectations are unrealistic. What does she have in common with these people when she’s been isolated and kept in a cosseted environment instead of being able to build in confidence and develop in the usual way?

Bobbieiris · Today 19:25

It's a shame weekend jobs are hard to come by as at that age I found that waitresing or retail jobs really helped with my confidence.
What does your daughter do in her free time? Does she have friends? What are her interests? A college course might be a good way to start....something that she is interested in. And then maybe look at apprenticeships?
I know she has anxiety but I really think you need to let go and let her learn to face her fears a little. A night without you or nanna will be fine. Is she on any medication?

Nofeckingway · Today 19:27

Do you think the DofE should be adapted to accomadate your own agenda ? Take it or leave it , no one is forcing you to go . Your poor DD will have absolutely no resilience skills or be able to cope with an independent life . Talking about going to uni is unrealistic - unless you plan on going with her .

I work with young adults with proven medical needs including anxiety and they still have to navigate this world and be able to function in society .
You are getting a lot of harsh talk here OP but did you really think anyone would be in any way sympathetic.? The only one I feel sorry for is your daughter . I sincerely hope she has other adults in her life who are able to help her .

Itwasallyellow2 · Today 19:28

sincerestwonders · Today 14:00

Everyone says I'm a bad, overprotective parent and Im sick of it. I think taking my daughter out of the pressure and anxiety of school was the best thing to do given circumstance she has had a comprehensive home education to 16 and has done some specialist courses. I am aware she needs more of a social life but she has suffered high anxiety as a kid around school, puberty, her emotions, extreme pressure and demand.

Removing people from difficult situations will, in the end, cause them more anxiety. Exposure to challenges with support is key to building resilience. She needs to find her tribe, find hobbies where she can mix with others. However, it sounds as though she lacks social skills and is delayed simply through non-exposure. She needs encouragement to move out of her comfort zone and to have opportunities to learn and grow.

FrogsAtDawn · Today 19:32

If you are aware that there is issues with with where your daughter is at at 17, then why are you choosing to also only enrol your son in 2 non core GCSEs when he reaches 17 as well? At least give him a chance and enrol in English/maths as well. As for your daughter, if she left school at 8 and still didn’t learn to read/write for many years afterwards then you really should be looking into SEN, and possible medication and therapy for her anxiety.

CleverBalonz · Today 19:34

sincerestwonders · Today 13:43

Any one else feel like this but I dunno why my life has been just so hard lately for me and my 17 1/2 year old daughter. Last year I felt completely different, this year I feel burnt out and just bored and unmotivated. I have a guy who keeps coming in and out my life he works abroad so he isnt a stable presence but I feel stuck and dunno if any of you have similar life experience or advice as that would be so useful.
My daughter has not been to school since age 8. I chose not to keep her in school because of some of the things we encountered in her school such as staff pinning kids down in isolation rooms as a punishment and like harming "bad" kids by restraining them in the classroom, which I did not want my young daughter to see or felt was appropriate.
She has been home educated since then. At the minute she has 2 gcses, a 9 in Spanish and 8 in computing/ICT. Her maths and english skills are quite subpar to be honest. She is a good speller, yet struggles with reading long books and guessing the "intention" of authors which is what a lot of GCSE is about. Her maths is reasonable and probably key stage 3 level, not the best but GCSE math standards are so high these days. In the last year she has done a cookery course, several language courses, business administration basics and we were asked to do an art course which she bloody hates and has no artistic talent really but we are 3/5 of the way through that and she just cant think of ideas and hates it and obviously wishes she was doing something else. The obvious thing to do next is driving, but the theory test I dont quite know how to study for it seen as I havent driven since I was in my 20s cos we live in an urban area where we can bus walk everywhere. The other thing I struggle with is deciding on the gold DOFE program. She has done it for 18 months, did all sections and loved the volunteering element. Its done all bits except the Expedition, and honestly how is a weeks walking, eating garbage and carrying a 20kg bag up a mountain useful to the development of a young person? This isnt the 1940s. We originally did this with a dofe open award center. She attended 2 training days. On the first one she was assigned to a team of 5 other girls, all of whom were friends from that posh arse Hills Road college in Cambridge. They ignored and excluded my already friendless daughter and walked ahead. My daughter is 5ft 4 70kg and is not unfit, she does swimming and dance, but no way can she walk 20 miles a day like they suggested with a back breaking Army bergen. The idiots said the expedition was to take place in summer. Considering the heatwaves we have had its a recipe for sun stroke, burns and nausea. On the second day she asked whether she could have a parent see her at a particular point of the day or night as she is high anxiety and gets sick when away overnight from parents she can stay at nanas house without us but it seems being away at night without parents presence is traumatic for her. She went to mendip activity center last year and being away led to panic attacks and a drinking episode. They said no,okay, but I dont think they care about her needs. The food is another troubling element. They suggested eating those gross ration pack boil in a bag meals. My daughter wont eat them preferring fresh foods, and wouldnt eat any with meat in them due to concern of quality. She would have to handle bottle gas, flames, putting up a tent, no contact even a mobile phone with parents, possible injury, carrying own excrement, managing herself miles from anywhere at 17 YEARS OLD what is this SAS basic training? We had her walk 10ks every week, every time her feet would begin to blister and bleed she has size 3 feet for context with the bag on so I decided to leave that centre and look at these expensive private expeditions on canoes but she wont do that either. This has led to a lot of arguments with me and her dad who the dad says stop pushing and she has done enough already. The final issue is she obviously doesnt want to go to uni next year but she just cant think of what job/career to do and seems to have lost interest in anything. Sorry to rant but any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

You seem chaotic. It sounds like you’ve created chaos in your own life.

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