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Ed Sheeran/Macklemore

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WallyHilloughby · 15/09/2026 19:36

what are your thoughts on this whole debacle?
quite frankly I’m sick and tired of artists using concerts etc as some political forum

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Bringemout · 16/09/2026 08:49

Honestly saddened but not surprised to see the open support of what is clearly anti-semitism here. He’s perfectly entitled to his opinions but this wasn’t that. I don’t think any posts should be deleted tbh, let people see the fucking state of it. Shameful.

DeterminedRat · 16/09/2026 08:51

Bringemout · 16/09/2026 08:44

Sheer racism, if he had done black face he would have been condemned by everyone.

Yet if would have performed a song called 'Heil Hitler', talked about how he was going to go 'death con 3 on Jewish people' and released swastika t-shirts there would be no problem with him performing at the very same venues. He'll know for next time anyway.

Vigorousroots · 16/09/2026 09:12

Dollymylove · 15/09/2026 22:07

I wonder how it would if this bloke (macklemor, never heard of him) was lampooning a person of colour?
Totally different i would imagine

Sacha Baron Cohen lampooned a person of colour for years, made a lot of money from it and easily got away with it.

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stargirl27 · 16/09/2026 09:15

Seems like the majority of people on here do not actually know what has taken place. Macklemore was not removed from Ed’s tour due to his costume in 2014 (which is obviously unacceptable and which he apologised for 12 years ago). I’d like to know what exactly in his speech on the tour (which led to his removal) people take such issue with.

Freegom · 16/09/2026 09:16

Ed Sheeran isn't spineless, he just disagrees with Macklemore. It seems that for the 'pro-Palestine' people, anything other than mindless chanting of slogans they agree with is an egregious betrayal. It's very 1984.

This is a highly contentious issue, not like domestic politics or Ukraine, and some of the pro-Palestine framing is so selective that it does have a great whiff of prejudice to it. The fact that they choose Palestine above all other causes and the fact that the role of Hamas is completely invisible in all their campaigning is appalling and I'm not surprised that many don't want to be associated with. If they were more even-handed there would be a lot less suspicion that this comes from a bad place.

Given all that, it's not something a lot of people want to get shoved at them at a concert.

Freegom · 16/09/2026 09:17

Vigorousroots · 16/09/2026 09:12

Sacha Baron Cohen lampooned a person of colour for years, made a lot of money from it and easily got away with it.

You don't understand his act. He lampooned white boys from Staines who played at being black.

BricksMom · 16/09/2026 09:18

FitAt50 · 15/09/2026 21:27

I just don't understand the cult of Gaza and how it's became the ultimate trend for the bored middle classes. This pretence that artists who support Gaza are 'so brave' is just ridiculous. They are clearly just jumping on the fashionable band wagon. And don't get me started on the Queers for Palestine!!

👏👏👏👏👏
100 % agree with this!

ErroltheSwampDragon · 16/09/2026 09:19

DeterminedRat · 16/09/2026 08:51

Yet if would have performed a song called 'Heil Hitler', talked about how he was going to go 'death con 3 on Jewish people' and released swastika t-shirts there would be no problem with him performing at the very same venues. He'll know for next time anyway.

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I can only find two stadiums (AT&T in Texas and Raymond Jones Stadium in Tampa) that are part of Sheerans tour and allowed Kanye West to perform after his antisemitic statements, and presuming they were even part of this (they haven'y publically commented) perhaps it took Kraft pushing back for them to decide not to platform an antisemite. Though would have been nice if they also hadn't allowed Kanye West

DeterminedRat · 16/09/2026 09:21

Freegom · 16/09/2026 09:16

Ed Sheeran isn't spineless, he just disagrees with Macklemore. It seems that for the 'pro-Palestine' people, anything other than mindless chanting of slogans they agree with is an egregious betrayal. It's very 1984.

This is a highly contentious issue, not like domestic politics or Ukraine, and some of the pro-Palestine framing is so selective that it does have a great whiff of prejudice to it. The fact that they choose Palestine above all other causes and the fact that the role of Hamas is completely invisible in all their campaigning is appalling and I'm not surprised that many don't want to be associated with. If they were more even-handed there would be a lot less suspicion that this comes from a bad place.

Given all that, it's not something a lot of people want to get shoved at them at a concert.

So why didn't he say that he disagrees with Macklemore? Why did he say that he is 'neutral'?

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 16/09/2026 09:23

Freegom · 16/09/2026 09:17

You don't understand his act. He lampooned white boys from Staines who played at being black.

Ah now dont be ridiculous. We all understood his act that is not what he was doing.

Freegom · 16/09/2026 09:25

As for the people who are pro free speech. Free speech is important, but in a workplace you don't have the right to say anything you like at any moment. Macklemore wasn't dropped for having these opinions and expressing them, he was dropped for promoting them at work and presumably saying he would continue to do so.

If someone jumped up on the stage at an Ed Sheeran concert and made a speech supporting Israel or gender critical beliefs, with promotional videos, many people would be saying it was not the time or the place. And believe it or not, there are people who feel those causes are as urgent and important as Palestine.

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 16/09/2026 09:25

Freegom · 16/09/2026 09:16

Ed Sheeran isn't spineless, he just disagrees with Macklemore. It seems that for the 'pro-Palestine' people, anything other than mindless chanting of slogans they agree with is an egregious betrayal. It's very 1984.

This is a highly contentious issue, not like domestic politics or Ukraine, and some of the pro-Palestine framing is so selective that it does have a great whiff of prejudice to it. The fact that they choose Palestine above all other causes and the fact that the role of Hamas is completely invisible in all their campaigning is appalling and I'm not surprised that many don't want to be associated with. If they were more even-handed there would be a lot less suspicion that this comes from a bad place.

Given all that, it's not something a lot of people want to get shoved at them at a concert.

And yet when he attended a Kneepcap gig, Sheeran sat in the audience shouting Free Palestine.

So maybe not so neutral after all.

Just spineless.

Freegom · 16/09/2026 09:27

DeterminedRat · 16/09/2026 09:21

So why didn't he say that he disagrees with Macklemore? Why did he say that he is 'neutral'?

He said that he disagrees with Macklemore's approach to talking about this issue. I think that's absolutely fair enough. For Macklemore and his ilk it's like the only legitimate way to talk about this is loudly, with a lot of absolutes and no nuance at all.

Vigorousroots · 16/09/2026 09:31

Freegom · 16/09/2026 09:17

You don't understand his act. He lampooned white boys from Staines who played at being black.

You'd think he'd have wised up by now but oh know Sacha thinks we need more lazy racial stereotyping with his latest movie - you can't even say he's learned from all the feedback he's been given. What a dick.

DeterminedRat · 16/09/2026 09:31

Freegom · 16/09/2026 09:27

He said that he disagrees with Macklemore's approach to talking about this issue. I think that's absolutely fair enough. For Macklemore and his ilk it's like the only legitimate way to talk about this is loudly, with a lot of absolutes and no nuance at all.

No he didn't. He said it wasn't me, I didn't have a choice, Macklemores contract wasn't with me. He said that he respects Macklemores strength of purpose and that there is room for multiple approaches.

marlboro · 16/09/2026 09:35

Team Macklemore!

Ed should be horrified… Ms Rachel has publicly called him out. You know it’s bad if she’s throwing shade at you!

Switchnow · 16/09/2026 09:38

WallyHilloughby · 15/09/2026 20:00

True but it’s very strange I’ve never heard any artists slamming Hamas for prolonging the Palestinians suffering by refusing to release hostages/breaking ceasefires or the ongoing genocide in Sudan

Fair point although since Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation (in the UK and US), perhaps people feel it goes without saying.

Zoopet · 16/09/2026 09:41

Not the greatest fan of Ed Sheeran but I do think that concerts should be about the music and not used as a platform for political opinion.
Concerts are meant to be joyful and celebrating a shared connection with the musician/s performing.
I wish Ed Sheeran well on the rest of his tour.

Catsamores · 16/09/2026 09:43

I’ve lost all respect for Ed Sheeran now. Musicians like him have a huge influence and he could have used his platform to make a change, but took the cowards way out. Shame on you Ed!

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 16/09/2026 09:43

Freegom · 16/09/2026 09:27

He said that he disagrees with Macklemore's approach to talking about this issue. I think that's absolutely fair enough. For Macklemore and his ilk it's like the only legitimate way to talk about this is loudly, with a lot of absolutes and no nuance at all.

Here is the thing though. Macklemore isnt jumping on a bandwagon recently. He has been saying this for years while being a friend with Ed S and being very visible and vocal about his beliefs.

So going into agreeing to book him for a support act, it would be known who is was and what he stood for. Im not sure about the rest of the support acts but Finneas has always been vocal about Palestine and Beoga are founding members of Irish musicians for Palestine.

Ed sheeran agreed to book them. Not his team, not the promoters, not the stadiums. Ed sheeran himself. Ed Sheeran isnt some small operation he is a man worth hundreds of millions who makes the decisions to what happens on his stage.

During sound checks, run throughs, etc it would have been visible what the message was.

So he caved. He caved to the opinion of an evil stadium owner who had enough dirt on other stadium owners to get them to turn.

I dont think this is about religion, I think this is an orchestrated effort to shut down negative commentary on foreign governments.

Vigorousroots · 16/09/2026 09:51

Switchnow · 16/09/2026 09:38

Fair point although since Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation (in the UK and US), perhaps people feel it goes without saying.

We should all know that every time you talk about this issue you need to start with mentioning how what happened on 7 Oct was horrendous (and it was) and then how Hamas are murdering fuck heads (which they are).
Only then can you talk about the IDF and the Israeli politicians being mass murdering fuck heads...because if you don't mention the first two points - they are all that ever gets discussed.

marlboro · 16/09/2026 09:55

Vigorousroots · 16/09/2026 09:51

We should all know that every time you talk about this issue you need to start with mentioning how what happened on 7 Oct was horrendous (and it was) and then how Hamas are murdering fuck heads (which they are).
Only then can you talk about the IDF and the Israeli politicians being mass murdering fuck heads...because if you don't mention the first two points - they are all that ever gets discussed.

Im not sure that’s the right chronology… there were concerns about Israel’s behaviour long before October 7th.
if you start with the British occupation, and the issues that arose from that, this might be a better starting point?!

Freegom · 16/09/2026 09:57

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 16/09/2026 09:43

Here is the thing though. Macklemore isnt jumping on a bandwagon recently. He has been saying this for years while being a friend with Ed S and being very visible and vocal about his beliefs.

So going into agreeing to book him for a support act, it would be known who is was and what he stood for. Im not sure about the rest of the support acts but Finneas has always been vocal about Palestine and Beoga are founding members of Irish musicians for Palestine.

Ed sheeran agreed to book them. Not his team, not the promoters, not the stadiums. Ed sheeran himself. Ed Sheeran isnt some small operation he is a man worth hundreds of millions who makes the decisions to what happens on his stage.

During sound checks, run throughs, etc it would have been visible what the message was.

So he caved. He caved to the opinion of an evil stadium owner who had enough dirt on other stadium owners to get them to turn.

I dont think this is about religion, I think this is an orchestrated effort to shut down negative commentary on foreign governments.

I mean, some people disagree with Macklemore, think he may be an anti-semite and that these concerts are not the place for his message. If that's what you mean by 'shutting down'. But likewise, the pro-Palestine people are extremely keen to orchestrate a shut down of anyone publicly supporting Israel. If you're saying you think it should all be allowed and encouraged, I don't particularly agree, but at least that would be consistent.

Freegom · 16/09/2026 09:58

marlboro · 16/09/2026 09:55

Im not sure that’s the right chronology… there were concerns about Israel’s behaviour long before October 7th.
if you start with the British occupation, and the issues that arose from that, this might be a better starting point?!

Why would you only start with the British? What about the Ottomans, and the Romans...?

PurpleThistle7 · 16/09/2026 09:58

I have spent too much time this morning looking for the clips of the actual speech and the actual performance. Agree that there is nothing in here that is surprising or horrifying. BUT... as a person who has been directly affected by the hate marches and the hate rhetoric and the endless, endless focus on one war while there are so many others getting ignored I can absolutely understand why people were scared.

It's just... the people there chose to be there. That's the disconnect for me - of course I have nothing but empathy for my friend's kids who were upset (and yes, there are teenagers who go to concerts with their parents! That's not that strange). It's truly frightening to be surrounded by people shouting 'fuck Israel' and 'death to the IDF' and all that stuff. I don't even see it anymore after years of it. But I am super cautious about going into the world without preparation. I check on the protests before going into town with my kids. I avoid a specific area of town altogether. I never ever wear my Jewish star after several problematic situations.

My daughter was traumatised at school several times. When she was 9, she was blocked leaving the bus after a school trip by 3 children her age telling her she can't get off the bus until she 'votes' as she needs to tell everyone what side she's on. When she was 10 she was followed around at break time by a rotating group of kids of a particular religion and told 'my family wants your family dead' and when she was 11, she was surrounded by a group of 13/14 year old boys yelling 'Free Palestine' and trying to follow her home so 'they can see where the rest of you live so we can tell our fathers'. That one involved the police in the end and is the reason she never ever goes to school without her phone on her. (On the positive side, when she was 13 she was blocked in the library by some older boys asking her if she was 'as weak as Anne Frank'. As we signed her up for self-defence classes after the chasing incident she very much is not and was able to push her way past several of them so she won that round.) But for her (and her little brother who was scared to go to school for months), the Palestinian flag and the chants of Free Palestine are legitimately frightening.

This in no way suggests that her life as a middle class child in a lovely city is anywhere as horrifying as living in a war zone in Palestine or Israel or Ukraine. Of course it's not. But her life is scarier than it was 3 years ago and none of that has anything to do with her. She's never even been to Israel, has no opinions on it, and certainly doesn't want any of her classmates to die. She's just a Scottish child navigating the world as the only Jewish child in her school and it's been awful.

But back to the point... I would in no way want to be there but I would have done my research and known that ahead of time. So it's hard for me to have complete sympathy for my friends who seem bewilderingly surprised by the whole mess. I have no idea who Ed Sheeran thought he was booking and I really have no idea why no one in the many, many people who would have seen the pre-checks and had the capacity to read Macklemore's lyrics online just as I do would think it's worth this sort of drama afterwards. Of course he's entitled to his opinion and of course he should use the stage he was freely offered to share them. Am genuinely confused by this whole palaver.