Terror attack on Berlin Pride

[HermioneWeasley]

police are looking for a suspect with Islamist links.

yesterday I saw that islamic bookshops run by the Muslim brotherhood (who are banned in Egypt and I think the UAE) are bringing “workers” over on skilled worker visas. The UAE has stopped government scholarships to British universities because they are worried about their young people being radicalised here!

islamic terrorism is a problem. 75% of Mi5’s watch list are Muslim.

how do we remain a safe and tolerant place for the many peaceful Muslims while still retaining our values and safety?

Berlin Pride attack: suspect named after one killed and 16 injured

www.thetimes.com/article/470b9315-80aa-4c5f-92e5-2bc2ef91b02b?shareToken=2f519edb5016673a387a427079f51e9d

Predictably it's all the fault of the "right wing" in Germany according to The Guardian.

Germany’s leaders say the Berlin Pride attack targeted ‘all of us’. What utter hypocrisy | Fatma Aydemir | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jul/29/germany-leaders-berlin-pride-attack-queer-community

Well according to the same Guardian, the mass sexual assaults of women in Cologne by immigrants at NY2016 was their fault for having iPhones, so...

I appreciated that link thank you.💐 I had seen the tweet earlier in this thread basically calling out another politician for claiming it was an attack on them all; reiterating it was an attack on queer people and his politics hadn't helped ( he was SPD formerly health, had said LGBT should be able to give blood, had attended rallies as an ally, so I was curious as to what they were getting at). In the article linked to, the journalist is calling out CDU for talking the talk not walking the walk and the AfD for exploiting the tragedy.

But she squarely puts the blame on Islamism.

What are you talking about? Do you have a source or was it an opinion piece you read?
Their reporting on it was balanced:

"Cologne inquiry into 'coordinated' New Year's Eve sex attacks | Germany | The Guardian" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/05/germany-crisis-cologne-new-years-eve-sex-attacks

"Cologne attacks: first arrest over New Year's Eve sex assaults | Germany | The Guardian" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/18/cologne-attacks-algerian-asylum-seeker-arrested-new-years-eve-assaults

"He was radicalised in Germany," she states confidently. What Germans radicalised him then?

Oh, I’ve seen plenty of batshit comments online, including a pink-haired woman claiming that it was mostly white, Christian men ‘with crosses in their profiles’ who celebrated the attack.
Anything to divert attention from the actual attacker.

Probably similar ones to the Norwegians who inspired this young man: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/johannes-kongsnes-natland-hitman-iran-b3023749.html

She's making it clear you can be radicalised anywhere. That's why it's so fucking scary. He wasn't an asylum seeker who'd recently been rejected and out for blood, he was a young man living in Berlin, whose father lived separately in Lebanon. He claimed the family were moderate Muslims and his son had been brainwashed.
They were Shiite Muslims (against ISIS who are Sunni). So the question is how, where and why was he radicalised, at 21? Internet? Rogue imam? Small cell in Berlin? Vulnerable because he had not fitted in or his parents were separated? You need to look at how it is happening to prevent it from happening.
The son was imprisoned in Lebanon last year for 3 months before being deported back to Germany, where he had a suspended sentence given to him in May. Would have had his third meeting on Monday (the deradicalisation counselling). Prosecution were appealing. He had 3 months left before review.
But not as simple as saying he was an immigrant, don't let them in, as he was radicalised in Berlin itself.
Need to look at why some 2nd/3rd generation Muslins are more radical than their parents and why they are more vulnerable to crime.
We are very clear on county lines and gangs exploiting the young.
We are less clear on how recruiters and extremists do the same - in this case, the lad had been involved in crime since a teen and was open about IS on social media - hiding in plain sight, not even hiding.
I think there would have been alienation and Islamism filled that gap. Is that a defence? Nope.
But it really isn't as simple as borders.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/08/cologne-attacks-hard-questions-new-years-eve

"Young German women thankfully enjoy historically unprecedented economic and sexual freedom, with their expensive smartphones"

Or we can just take a long, hard look at which countries we're welcoming immigration from instead of spending even more taxpayers' money solving a problem that doesn't need to exist in the first place.

Oof. Thank you for posting. It makes for poor reading. Separating opportunity thefts from opportunity gropes, or conflating the two, when both happened together and separately in Koeln and then going on to mention perps' lack of autonomy is...a choice. It is true that some women were molested and not robbed and some were robbed and not molested but both are criminal acts and the police should have got down there a lot sooner. I've done Silvester in Germany, it's mental (fireworks are thrown in the street everywhere) and as a gang operating, opportunity to do all that in a crowd - made me shudder at the time.
To explain it as she appeared to with her choice of words coming across like the daily mail women "flaunting" their phones or their sexuality...you are right, comes over as victim blaming.

But how would you do that though? It isn't as blunt as Ukraine Good, Syria Bad. You can't discriminate by race or creed or sex. How would you suggest immigration was controlled?
And you use the present tense, doesn't need....that ship has sailed. Didn't need would be more accurate as the genie is already out the bottle. It isn't going to solve the problem of alienated, vulnerable youths being ripe for radicalisation that were born and raised in the country they go on to attack.

The Evolution of the Islamist Terror Threat Landscape in Germany Since 2020 - Combating Terrorism Center at West Point https://share.google/ca0EYwxznSgIiWnmj
A timeline of Islamist attacks in Germany and who is behind them. It doesn't appear to have been a problem prior to 2015. Germany has had a large settled Turkish community for years who have not participated in these attacks.

The Gulf countries do it. They obviously have high levels of immigration (although it's not a pathway to permanent settlement or citizenship), and if one particular nationality is noticed to be committing high levels of crime, they block further work visas (and obviously deport the criminals once released from jail).

With our existing problem - honestly decently long jail sentences on first offence would help. Time and again, all over Europe, the people committing these acts will have had previous offenses, and generally been turned loose with little or no punishment.

Yeah couple of years ago they banned people from one country under x age because they were causing trouble as well as banning visa from some areas in pakistan because they had people coming in being scammed by local agencies who promised them work visa, but just dropped them in UAE with tourist visa and let them burn.

Just to note these are temporary bans. Essentially putting pressure on governments elsewhere to sort their mess out. There were iirc restrictions on lebanese visa for a while and as well later iranian after it kicked off.

Btw this is the kind of thing I mean about short sentences:

https://x.com/vpopulimedia/status/2082453626216177890

"Both Douk Deng has been JAILED for TWO YEARS after walking around a Manchester school with MULTIPLE WEAPONS. The Sudanese National was armed with a kitchen knife, hatchet, hammer and petrol. He will serve half of his sentence in custody, and the remainder on licence."

I'm going to guess that a year in prison isn't going to substantially alter anything - there's a good chance someone will wind up injured or dead at his hands once he's out again.
Yet there's seemingly no drive at all from the powers that be to actually change any of this. We're just expected to sit back and watch the inevitable play out, again and again.

(As an aside, this man claims to be 21).

Sweden seems to be planning on introducing strict new rules for immigrants:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/16/sweden-votes-to-back-laws-reinforcing-its-immigration-crackdown

Late on Monday, parliamentarians voted to pass the so-called “good behaviour” law, which would cover pending and future residents but also be applied retroactively to many of the country’s current residents.
“Anyone who doesn’t make the effort to do the right thing shouldn’t be able to count on staying,” Sweden’s minister of migration, Johan Forssell, said in March when he proposed the bill.
While the law does not specify the types of behaviour that would be deemed unacceptable, the government has previously mentioned examples such as unpaid debts, failing to pay taxes, criminality, and links to extremist organisations.

To me personally, some aspects of it seem almost a bit too harsh, but I suppose that’s the thing - if certain issues are ignored for too long, the pendulum eventually swings quite far the other way.
Sweden has been experiencing increasing gang violence in the recent years.

Hasn't Denmark also got quite strict recently?

Yes, I think they were one of the first EU countries.

Thank you for this. Sober reading.
It concluded the attackers are getting younger, often operating alone and heavily influenced by social media propaganda. And often with mental health issues to boot.
That would explain why a troubled 15 year old might end up committing an atrocity six years later (doesn't mitigate it).
The issues with that is the genie is out the bottle with social media. Remains to see whether a ban will have any impact. And that lone wolves with psychiatric issues and setbacks at school/in society at large will be become more vulnerable to radicalisation/susceptible to what they view online. We know this.
I don't know what the answer is apart from reiterating in schools what we aspire to as decent citizens and what looking out for each other means. And get off your phones. Counteracting alienation through community.
I still don't believe certain rhetoric can do anything but make those who are already vulnerable, more vulnerable to propaganda.
Will see what my Prevent training looks like Sept and whether the report on its effectiveness, has changed it in any way.
Thank you for the discussion. I do think talking and finding out all viewpoints is the way to go (in trying to solve any issues not just this one) but an old hippy would say that 😉💐

Yes, this shows how far the Guardian have fallen. They will twist themselves into pretzels to blame the right and far right for the Berlin attack, to deflect any blame from Islamists, who they see as their allies.

This Islamo-Left alliance is leading the Left down a very distorted rabbit-hole. They have really lost credibility with this.

Yes, for the Guardian and others on the left, migrants will always be the real victims. This is the only way they can make sense of what happened in Koln.

Yes, I strongly suspect that the complacency around dealing with these people appropriately is because those in power know that when Douk Deng is released, it will be someone else who will be on the sharp end of his behaviour.

Most likely it will be people living in deprived areas who will find themselves having Douk Deng as their neighbour, having to put up with the terrible risk to life and limb that he poses.

People are sick to the back teeth of all this.

Quite a few countries in Europe are now taking a tougher line on immigration. Aftef multiple rapes, murders and terrorist attacks, they've realised how stupid they've been to allow large numbers of males from incompatible cultures to enter their country and cause harm to what had been largely harmonious societies.

I hope the UK follows suit. Not just talking tough and making empty promises, but actually prioritising national security and the safety of our citizens.

I have a neighbour like him. He's a one man crime wave.

For years the cycle is get released from a mental hospital, he drinks and smokes weed, goes mental again, steals, breaks into homes, harasses people, the police eventually arrest him, he gets committed for a few weeks during which its bliss.
Then gets released and so the cycle continues.

He has no place living in a civilised society, he does not contribute anything to the UK, he is not British, his wife and child fled him many years ago by refunding to their native country.

Why the fuck is he still here.