Terror attack on Berlin Pride

[HermioneWeasley]

police are looking for a suspect with Islamist links.

yesterday I saw that islamic bookshops run by the Muslim brotherhood (who are banned in Egypt and I think the UAE) are bringing “workers” over on skilled worker visas. The UAE has stopped government scholarships to British universities because they are worried about their young people being radicalised here!

islamic terrorism is a problem. 75% of Mi5’s watch list are Muslim.

how do we remain a safe and tolerant place for the many peaceful Muslims while still retaining our values and safety?

Berlin Pride attack: suspect named after one killed and 16 injured

www.thetimes.com/article/470b9315-80aa-4c5f-92e5-2bc2ef91b02b?shareToken=2f519edb5016673a387a427079f51e9d

How about just one more time, as somehow we all seem to have missed it.

As I understand it, your argument is that generational trauma can make people more likely to commit atrocities. And so where people are being traumatised, like in palestine, the people there will be more likely to go on to commit atrocities. Though you haven't explained why the palestines will be more likely to have this response than the Jews, nor indeed why Muslims as an entirety are more susceptible than other groups, even when their trauma is objectively far less. I also think I missed your explanation of why Muslims who themselves have suffered no trauma suffer enough 'generational trauma' that they too are more likely to become terrorists. Or how recent this second-hand trauma must be to have this effect. Or why unlike other groups affected by generational trauma, Muslims attack people who had nothing to do with causing said trauma.

So, to make it super-clear for everybody... precisely how is this particular terrorist attack a result of trauma? What trauma explains a born-and-bred German of Lebanese heritage targeting homosexual Germans?

And ideally, I'd also love to know how the trauma that apparently caused this attack is similar to the trauma of palestinians in a war zone.

It doesn't make sense does it. They can't make it make sense why one group commits the majority of violent acts and it isn't the one that has endured an actual Holocaust.

So, to make it super-clear for everybody... precisely how is this particular terrorist attack a result of trauma? What trauma explains a born-and-bred German of Lebanese heritage targeting homosexual Germans?

Because it isn't trauma, it's Islamism.

So... trauma causing them to commit atrocities against the people who caused the trauma. Not just attacking random, uninvolved passer-bys who had nothing at all to do with causing said trauma. Not quite the same thing then, is it.

The root cause is the same in terms of a reason why there may be terrorists
There are and have been similar examples around the world

In terms of attacking randoms ive already posted on why people are more succeptable to radicalisation if you rtt. I’ve also noted it’s not the only reason of course

Which @DeterminedRat has already posted on here

Anyway trying to get the thread back on track.

Western culture today (not always been the case) for the most part views homosexuality as something that has existed throughout human history, is accepted and it is up to individuals with whom they have relationships with (provided it's between two consenting adults).

Whereas is Muslim culture, homosexuality is viewed as sinful, an abomination and something to be eradicated.

The attacker was acting on his own belief system.

In addition three women were stabbed yesterday in Paris by a man saying that he was acting on instructions from Allah.

Where did I say you were obsessed with anyone?

Here's a lovely German man doing a Nazi salute at a Jewish man in Berlin.

No picture was attached.

But as a coincidence I've just read this article about a similar thing occuring in London. Prosecuted and convicted. Thank god.

gilllevy.substack.com/p/this-is-not-that-story?r=37jodv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

Apologies, here's the link.

https://x.com/i/status/2082100066509107709

So his "trauma" and other refugees causes them to blow up little children in a pop concert in Manchester, or mow people down with trucks in a Christmas market or gay celebration. Nah. Don't think so. They belong to a psychopathic cult.

Actually, the weird pact between the ultra left and Islamists isn't so difficult to understand. They both espouse a victim, anti Western ideology and a hierarchy of grievance. Unfortunately, the Communists who sided with Islamists in the 1979 Iranian Revolution found to their cost that they were dispensable when the Ayatollah came to power. They were all assassinated or had to go into exile.

Just to point out that we don't know if he was son of refugees as far as I saw. Not every arab in europe is a refugee....

Albeit on a local authority level this is what happens in reality when the Islamist leftists come to power:

https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/islam/u-s-city-led-by-muslims-bans-pride-flags-sparking-a-sense-of-betrayal/

I don't even think most asylum seekers are refugees any more.

Im repeating myself
it’s a waste of posts
round and round in circles we go

@DrPrunesqualer are you going to answer my question about whether there was a spike in crime in Korea after the Korean War?
There were many traumatised people in that war -soldiers and civilians.

The comfort women 😔

If you want to prevent crime from happening though you have to understand why it happens and the situations that lead to it, whether that is poverty, trauma, mental health conditions, religion etc that's where the explanation comes in to play. You can't solve a problem if you don't understand why the problem is happening.
@DeterminedRat

If you do understand why the problem is happening can it then be solved?
People have come up with reasons and causes for wars and suffering but it doesn’t seem to stop them happening.

The comfort women 😔

Yes that was truly terrible - though the comfort women were forcibly taken by the Japanese during the Japanese occupation as opposed to the Korean War.

Apologies @38thparallel
I only respond to relevant posts
( im not on mumsnet waiting either)
the War didn’t go on for generations
I think you’ll find, although surely you know as you’ve mentioned it .

I’m sure you could Google if you are interested in any war you like that isn’t relevant to my posts.

the War didn’t go on for generations

@DrPrunesqualer how many generations does a war have to go on for before it causes people to commit crimes?

We'll need a dulux chart to determine that.

Yes, just musing that it was trauma after trauma over that time period.

Yes, just musing that it was trauma after trauma over that time period

Yes then followed by years of poverty and then suddenly Korea got a rocket up its arse and became the successful country that it is today. Meanwhile, their poor neighbours in the north……