Terror attack on Berlin Pride

[HermioneWeasley]

police are looking for a suspect with Islamist links.

yesterday I saw that islamic bookshops run by the Muslim brotherhood (who are banned in Egypt and I think the UAE) are bringing “workers” over on skilled worker visas. The UAE has stopped government scholarships to British universities because they are worried about their young people being radicalised here!

islamic terrorism is a problem. 75% of Mi5’s watch list are Muslim.

how do we remain a safe and tolerant place for the many peaceful Muslims while still retaining our values and safety?

Berlin Pride attack: suspect named after one killed and 16 injured

www.thetimes.com/article/470b9315-80aa-4c5f-92e5-2bc2ef91b02b?shareToken=2f519edb5016673a387a427079f51e9d

There is a difference between justification and explanation.

Saying that the Holocaust help shaped what happened in Palestine is an attempt at explanation.

Saying that the Holocaust justified the raping and killing that Jewish people committed in Palestine is a different conversation.

On the contrary 🤣
you think I am obsessed with just one ‘set’ of people

what @DeterminedRat has stated directly agrees with my posts

edited to add as I missed the nuance of your post
justify is an inflammatory word here
and not relevant

Exactly

So in the end it's all just generational trauma and neither Muslim nor Jewish attackers can really be held accountable for their actions because they were shaped that way from birth by events outside of their control ... ok.

That's a way of looking at things but it's a niche position.

Who said that though? Of course if you commit a crime you should be held accountable and go through the same justice system as everybody else.

If you want to prevent crime from happening though you have to understand why it happens and the situations that lead to it, whether that is poverty, trauma, mental health conditions, religion etc that's where the explanation comes in to play. You can't solve a problem if you don't understand why the problem is happening. I don't think that that is a niche position at all.

I’m afraid ( re your first sentence ) people have been misunderstanding and inflating my posts from the start
I have no idea why 🤷‍♀️
Its not like any of this is news or a new concept

Tackling deep seated issues is crucial

As we know, the vast majority of terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims, though it's very difficult to see how they might be defined as the most traumatised group of people on Earth. So why are they so much more likely to have this response than any other group of people, why aren't we seeing anything like this kind of behaviour from any other 'traumatised' group? Are you really claiming there is something within the Muslim mentality that causes this, even from people of completely different nationalities and backgrounds, and even when they themselves haven't suffered any trauma whatsoever? Because that's really quite a statement...
Muslims worldwide are also the greatest victims of Islamist terror attacks worldwide. So not only can their fellow Muslims not be able to help themselves blowing up the ancestors of the people who apparently opressed their ancestors, they just can't help blowing up other victims of 'generational trauma'. Poor Hamas when faced with starving Palestinians were so muddled by generational trauma they couldn't let them into the miles long tunnel network they had built or given them back the aid food they had stolen from them and stockpiled in the tunnels.

I do wonder at what point we can draw a line on the intergenerational trauma.
Also, this thread is not about attacks committed by either side (Jews and Muslims) in the Middle East, but about one that happened in an entirely different country.
How many terror attacks have Jews committed in Germany because of their intergenerational trauma?

What do you mean by saying not every Irish person joined the IRA?

The provisional IRA?
A very small number, much, much less than 1% of Irish people joined!

The way you’ve phrased it suggests most Irish people did, which is a complete and utter misrepresentation.

That's right - if you commit a crime you should be held accountable. Not have people making excuses for you by talking about generational trauma and shoe horning Israel into it.

The attacker was a German citizen, born in Germany but with Lebanese heritage. And honestly, no one wants to hear pathetic excuses for why he shouldn't be held personally accountable for his crime.

No I didn’t say that
I’m Irish Catholic
I know the history

Whether Israeli behaviour is justified is of course up for debate, but they attack people who attacked them first. People who openly announce they want to kill them all, and will stop at nothing to accomplish that. They have not gone after the people who led the Holocaust. They have not gone after all those people, all across the world, who have spent the last millennia raping, murdering, exiling and oppressing them. They have gone after the people who attacked them first, then spent the next eight decades bombing them, invading them, murdering them, raping them and openly declaring their only ambition is to commit genocide against them, no matter the cost.

This thread is about someone born and bred in Germany to Lebanese parents, who appears to have deliberately targeted gay Germans. What have gay Germans ever done to him? Or to Lebanon? Or to his parents? Have gay Germans been waging a near century long war against them? Have gay Germans declared repeatedly their intention to destroy them? Have gay Germans raped them, murdered them, burnt their children alive?

The pair of you keep blathering on about 'intergenerational trauma' as being some sort of reason for the attack, if not excuse. And yet have offered no explanation of precisely what trauma this person may have occurred to cause him to carry out the attack, and instead keep wittering on about Israel. Whether it's you intention or otherwise, you are merely pointing out how little justification Muslims have to commit terrorism. And possibly, how much justification the Israelis have to defend themselves, and how lucky the world is they are clearly significantly better at dealing peaceably with their trauma than Muslims are.

@inamarina How many terror attacks have Jews committed in Germany because of their intergenerational trauma? None to my knowledge.

Terrorism in Germany has occurred in several distinct periods, most notably during the Weimar Republic and the Cold War. Acts of political violence have been carried out by far-left and far-right German groups, as well as by foreign organisations operating on German territory. These episodes have included assassinations, bombings, kidnappings, and other forms of politically motivated violence, and have had varying impacts on German politics, society, and security policy.

In the 21st century, Germany has faced renewed far-left, far-right, and Islamist extremist activity. Several attacks and plots linked to jihadist networks have occurred, including the 2016 Berlin Christmas market attack and the 2024 Solingen stabbing, prompting expanded security measures and counter‑terrorism efforts.

Contemporary threats include internationally connected jihadist networks, far‑right groups, and far‑left militants, with authorities regularly disrupting planned attacks and monitoring radicalisation within the country.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Germany

Reasons ≠ excuses. I don't really have the time nor the crayons to explain this anymore to you than I have.

Good.

agree
you know i just started writing a responce but I agree
If people don’t understand there’s a world of knowledge at their fingertips
I fear
facts are still being ignored
and round and round we go
Attacks will never stop if we don’t tackle the cause
but people need to face up to that

That’s the way it reads unfortunately.

What do you suppose was the cause in this case seeing as the attacker was born in Germany and grew up in Germany?

Oh look, on a thread about Islamic terrorism we've circled right back to anti-Israeli propaganda.

Many of those Arabs self-deported, thinking they'd be returning imminently once all the Jews were dead - you did know that, right? Also mass rape claims are not accepted by mainstream historians.

Honestly, just for once it would be nice if things didn't just become Zionist Gaza blah blah.

RTT
Im repeating myself
it’s a waste of posts
round and round in circles we go

The question wasn’t really directed at you and it was mostly rhetorical anyway 🙂
I agree with you re: generational trauma.
My point was, if both Jews and Muslims have intergenerational trauma, why are only people from one of the groups committing violent acts like the attack in Berlin.

Quite a lack of recent terrorism from Armenians in Azerbaijan as well and if anyone has generational trauma...

But you can Google to understand that

‘ The framing of Armenians committing "terrorism" in Azerbaijan is largely rooted in the protracted, decades-long geopolitical conflict over the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region. The narrative depends heavily on which side of the conflict the actions and actors are viewed from.

Armenian Perspective: Defense, Self-Determination, and Resistance
For Armenians, actions taken in and around the region are often framed as a struggle for survival, historical self-determination, and resistance against perceived aggression.
Following Azerbaijan's decisive military operations in late 2023, the vast majority of the Armenian population fled Nagorno-Karabakh. The few remaining individuals, along with political prisoners and prisoners of war detained by Baku, are often tried or labeled by Azerbaijan as "terrorists" or "saboteurs." Armenians argue these charges are politically motivated and represent a continuation of human rights abuses.

Azerbaijani Perspective: Counter-Terrorism and Territorial Integrity
Conversely, the Azerbaijani government classifies armed resistance, unauthorized incursions, and civilian attacks (such as historical bombings or border skirmishes) as acts of terrorism aimed at undermining its sovereignty and territorial integrity.
Azerbaijan frequently cites the use of landmines, cross-border shootings, and past militant acts by Armenian nationalist groups (such as the ASALA attacks in the 1970s and 80s) as evidence of terrorism. Azerbaijan also accuses the Armenian diaspora of funding and facilitating these militant activities.

International Context
While both nations have levied terrorism and human rights accusations against one another at international bodies like the UN and the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), the broader international community generally views the conflict as a territorial and geopolitical dispute rather than one defined strictly by terrorism.’

!!! Trauma then …..again
thanks for highlighting another example

You know what the Turks did to the Armenians previously, right?

You don't need to dump a bunch of LLM copypasta, I'm not going to read it. If you have a point, summarise it yourself and stop asking ChatGPT leading questions.

Right so you are looking for reasons too? Why are some people radicalised and others not. Obviously this isn't a Muslim vs Jewish vs Armenians vs anybody else in the world thing because 99.9999% of Muslims are not committing terrorist attacks are they so it isn't a 'Muslim thing' for want of a better word, it's a radicalisation thing.

Why did that British man decide to take to the streets of Edinburgh and attack Muslims the other week, it wasn't because he was British or far right or Christian for example, that's too simplistic because there are many British far right Christian people who don't commit horrific attacks. Just like this man in Berlin, he didn't attack because he was Muslim because there are literally billions of Muslims in the world who don't commit attacks like this. It isn't an 'intergenerational trauma thing' because like you says millions of others don't, it's a series of things that interplay with each other, one of which may be intergenerational trauma.

Acknowledging these things and trying to understand why radicalisation can happen isn't justifying radicalisation it's just seeking to understand.