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Oh, peacemaker, peacemaker make me some peace - Trump Thread #167

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Spandauer · 08/07/2026 11:00

Many, many more months of the Mango Mussolini's maniacal merde.

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logicisall · 24/07/2026 16:13

2nd try

Oh, peacemaker, peacemaker make me some peace - Trump Thread #167
LizzieW1969 · 24/07/2026 16:13

placemats · 24/07/2026 16:06

We used to meet up in the student bar after lectures to exchange notes over a pint, but it went the way of every reading group I've ever joined 😂

Prof was a lovely man and did his best and even he said it was a tricky subject.

eta it was Germanic languages that fascinated me.

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Actually I loved Linguistics at uni, and did very well, but it was a lot of years ago. I found that post today harder to follow. I don’t take things in nearly as well in my late 50s. 🤣

LizzieW1969 · 24/07/2026 16:15

LizzieW1969 · 24/07/2026 16:13

Actually I loved Linguistics at uni, and did very well, but it was a lot of years ago. I found that post today harder to follow. I don’t take things in nearly as well in my late 50s. 🤣

And yes, the history of the Germanic languages is fascinating and a subject I don’t know much about. We studied functional Linguistics at uni, and linguists like Chomsky.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/07/2026 16:40

LizzieW1969 · 24/07/2026 15:54

It was difficult to follow, admittedly. But the subject is fascinating for me. I knew nothing about Old French previously.

What really blew my mind during my MA was that I cannot speak or read modern French fluently, but I was able quite easily to make my way through the poems of Marie de France (12th century Old French with Anglo-Norman influence). Presumably Old French was closer to the English I speak and read than is modern French. Make of that what you will.

(Edited to add, sorry I went off on a ramble; I am fascinated by how the language evolved during the period I was studying, which was roughly between Alfred the Great's translation of part of the Bible into the Wessex English of his day, and the Ricardians in London and thereabouts. It really isn't at all simple and has so many threads that it's like unweaving a tapestry to try to follow just one of them at a time.)

RedTagAlan · 24/07/2026 17:19

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/07/2026 16:40

What really blew my mind during my MA was that I cannot speak or read modern French fluently, but I was able quite easily to make my way through the poems of Marie de France (12th century Old French with Anglo-Norman influence). Presumably Old French was closer to the English I speak and read than is modern French. Make of that what you will.

(Edited to add, sorry I went off on a ramble; I am fascinated by how the language evolved during the period I was studying, which was roughly between Alfred the Great's translation of part of the Bible into the Wessex English of his day, and the Ricardians in London and thereabouts. It really isn't at all simple and has so many threads that it's like unweaving a tapestry to try to follow just one of them at a time.)

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Quote "Alfred the Great's translation of part of the Bible into the Wessex English of his day, "

I am interested in Bible history. First I have heard of this. Did any survive as original ? I need look it up now.

Oh. French poetry. My only exposure to that is the film Groundhog day.

SerendipityJane · 24/07/2026 17:39

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/07/2026 15:26

That is not what you said. You said their language vanished. It did not; it (along with Old English) was absorbed. You then moved the goalposts.

"I repeat. Despite being conquered by a Norman French speaking elite, by (say) 1400 the average Englishman could no more understand French than they could in 1066. " was what you more recently said. Would you readily understand the language spoken in 1700? Probably not, in fact; there has been quite a shift in the language and in pronunciation since then, even if we can agree which English we are talking about. Dialects were a great deal more important then than they have become since the advent of radio and latterly television to provide a template; and even in 1980 a man from Newcastle upon Tyne and a man from Cornwall in the office where I worked had considerable difficulty understanding each other, and used to come to me for translation because I was reasonably fluent in both tongues.

You see, you have to decide what you mean by "English". At the time at which Chaucer was writing, a decade or three before 1400, Sir Gawain and the Green Knight was also written (quite possibly by the man who wrote Pearl), and they are not in the same language as each other. Likewise people in Kent spoke a different language from London, Yorkshiremen a different language again, in 1400 (and don't get me started on anything further north). And nobody from any of them would have been able to speak the "English" of 1066.

Your view is certainly idiosyncratic, I feel. I'd love to have had you at the conference I attended in 2000, at which we were supposed to be discussing language changes in this country during the middle ages and had two days of constantly having to establish when any given one of us thought the middle ages had actually been, before we even started to look at what the language had been and where exactly we were talking about.

I think I reached the limits of my being able to express what I'm thinking there. Quite happy to concede I lost. Whatever that may be 😀

Spandauer · 24/07/2026 18:01

I'm sure Xi and Vlad are quaking in their boots.

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Spandauer · 24/07/2026 18:03

logicisall · 24/07/2026 16:10

That glitch is long lasting. I checked and only 14 listed right now. So what does this make of the above statement from the T&T gov't which states the circumstances of Sgt Rampersad's death in Jordan?

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/07/2026 18:04

RedTagAlan · 24/07/2026 17:19

Quote "Alfred the Great's translation of part of the Bible into the Wessex English of his day, "

I am interested in Bible history. First I have heard of this. Did any survive as original ? I need look it up now.

Oh. French poetry. My only exposure to that is the film Groundhog day.

Well, it is now disputed that Alfred personally did the translating, but there was certainly some done during his time. My tutor grinned at me when I mentioned Wycliffe and said that Wycliffe was modern....

I think it was mostly Psalms, but also some of the Pentateuch, and the Ten Commandments, that used to be attributed to Alfred himself. And during Alfred's lifetime the Wessex Gospels started to be circulated; those have survived, as have some gospel translations from other places in the island. We are lucky enough to have translations of the Lord's Prayer into Wessex English and Lindisfarne English, and they are nothing like each other!

Bede also did a bit, the Gospel of John, but that was unfortunately lost and no copy survives. (This is not according to Bede himself, but someone called Cuthbert.) And also in the seventh century, according to the ever-unreliable Bede, Cædmon sang songs based on the bible, but again they haven't survived. And the Abbot of Malmesbury is said to have translated the Psalms, but ditto.

There was a fair amount of Bible Into Old English translation, but after the Norman Conquest it dried up and there was very little into Middle English because the Roman Church took over and didn't want the serfs thinking about what Christ actually said; that would never do. Like Trump, they loved the ignorant.

logicisall · 24/07/2026 18:10

Spandauer · 24/07/2026 18:03

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The memes and cartoons are so quick!
The frustration in Lil Marco's voice when he mentioned 'their stupid Lego videos that I haven't seen'.
Yeh, right...

LizzieW1969 · 24/07/2026 18:14

RedTagAlan · 24/07/2026 17:19

Quote "Alfred the Great's translation of part of the Bible into the Wessex English of his day, "

I am interested in Bible history. First I have heard of this. Did any survive as original ? I need look it up now.

Oh. French poetry. My only exposure to that is the film Groundhog day.

I studied French Literature for A Level and one year at uni. But the only poetry I remember (vaguely) is Moliere. So 17th century French and of no help here.

I studied Old Testament Hebrew and New Testament Greek as well, but it was all so long ago, and also of no help here!

I’m fascinated, though, and learning a lot. 🙂

logicisall · 24/07/2026 18:20

Re that TS upthread

8:51 PM
Trump says Xi, Putin assured him not arming Iran

Trump's comment on Truth Social about warning Russia and China against funding Iran selling weapons to Iran comes amid reports that Washington is investigating whether Moscow and Beijing are giving Iran targeting information, following a series of strikes on US bases.
(UAE)

So not everything's as rosy as Trump claims. I suspect that Xi's playing him, but what do I know??

and Iran and Oman are still on talking terms.
Iran, Omani FMs discuss latest developments

Iranian and Omani foreign ministers discussed in a phone call, the latest regional and security developments and maritime navigation in Strait of Hormuz.
Reuters

But today's Friday and there's still time to manipulate the markets.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/07/2026 18:22

Hah. The real home of the computer-based criminal is Florida, with Louisiana a close second; their generous bankruptcy laws appeal to "serial entrepreneurs". They need to take the plank out of their own eye.

Spandauer · 24/07/2026 19:12

He's back to making friends and influencing people - Mr Congeniality.

Oh, peacemaker, peacemaker make me some peace - Trump Thread #167
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AcrossthePond55 · 24/07/2026 19:28

dapsnotplimsolls · 24/07/2026 16:08

I guess his rhetorical style would be described as ... meandering!

I guess his rhetorical style would be described as ... meandering maddening!

FTFY 🤣

placemats · 24/07/2026 20:10

Spandauer · 24/07/2026 19:12

He's back to making friends and influencing people - Mr Congeniality.

Stay tuned 😀

Justsaynonow · 24/07/2026 21:24

I opened up MN and my stomach dropped as I saw 86 new posts here, thing what has he done NOW? To my relief, an interesting intellectual discussion (do I need to clarify, not from Trump) and more of the same shit.

And a well needed chuckle from @Jaichangecentfoisdenom "he’s like a barnacle on the bottom of the Mary Celeste, incrusted there and not about to move any time soon." He does need to go. My anxiety levels are ramping up from the lack of coordinated action by the democrats.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/07/2026 22:29

AcrossthePond55 · 24/07/2026 19:28

I guess his rhetorical style would be described as ... meandering maddening!

FTFY 🤣

Definitely not Laconic, a word we get from the Spartans.😎

Justdancevance · 25/07/2026 00:25

Go BBC 😆

Trump has to open the books of his family trust and divulge family conversations around Jan 6.

The grift will be on full display

logicisall · 25/07/2026 00:39

Justdancevance · 25/07/2026 00:25

Go BBC 😆

Trump has to open the books of his family trust and divulge family conversations around Jan 6.

The grift will be on full display

Hold on the celebrations. I'll wait to see if that really happens, knowing Trump.

RedTagAlan · 25/07/2026 04:15

Trump must have been a fantastic student back in the day. He is 80 now, and he still loves to do revision.

"The Report demonstrates that the Smithsonian leadership does not present American history as a shared national inheritance to be taught and celebrated, but instead views American history as a “prime tool” to advance ideas of social justice and the radical transformation of our society. The Report also overwhelmingly demonstrates that current leadership of both the Smithsonian Institution and the Museum cannot be trusted to tell America’s story with honesty and gratitude."

Yup. It's an executive order ordering that signs are erected in The Smithsonian to inform visitors that the Smithsonian version of history is WRONG.

Restoring Trust in the Smithsonian Institution – The White House

Restoring Trust in the Smithsonian Institution

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1.  Policy. On

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/07/restoring-trust-in-the-smithsonian-institution-e061/

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