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He Has No Deal, He Has No Dice - Trump Thread #162

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Spandauer · 12/04/2026 17:39

Old enough to remember whole years in which I barely thought about the American president.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/chat/5513875-depraved-desperate-deluded-and-dangerous-trump-thread-160

eta: in my haste I think I've numbered the thread incorrectly! Oh well.

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walllaw · 14/04/2026 22:17

dapsnotplimsolls · 14/04/2026 21:33

I think he's trying to undermine Vance because he can't bear the idea of anyone other than him standing in 2028.

But at the same time emasculating Rubio, who is, after all, the Secretary of State. So the person who should be conducting the negotiations rather than the person who's at the mercy of Vance's success, or lack thereof

Spandauer · 14/04/2026 22:26

The alt text on the photo is 👌

Congratulations to photographer Andrew Harnik who has won the White House Correspondents’ Association award for presidential news coverage with one of the greatest Oval Office photos ever captured.
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RafaistheKingofClay · 14/04/2026 22:55

That is a fabulous alt text

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CaveMum · 14/04/2026 23:04

Spandauer · 14/04/2026 22:26

The alt text on the photo is 👌

Congratulations to photographer Andrew Harnik who has won the White House Correspondents’ Association award for presidential news coverage with one of the greatest Oval Office photos ever captured.
bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3mjhgrejqes2u

Is that KKK Barbie and Stephen Miller I see assisting/showing concern for the collapsed person? I mean if you are demonstrating less empathy for a fellow human than those two….

Maggiethecat · 14/04/2026 23:20

dapsnotplimsolls · 14/04/2026 21:33

I think he's trying to undermine Vance because he can't bear the idea of anyone other than him standing in 2028.

I’d almost want Vance to win in 2028 just to watch Trump try to undermine his presidency!

Cannot stomach the douche bag.

RedTagAlan · 15/04/2026 03:24

Vance at Turning Point USA

So Vance was at a TP USA thing in Georgia yesterday. And why not ? Political campaigning must come first right. No matter what is happening in the world /s.

Per CNN, he said this :

“Now, on the one hand, again, I like that the pope is an advocate for peace. I think that’s certainly one of his roles,” Vance said. “On the other hand, how can you say that God is never on the side of those who wield the sword? Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated France from the Nazis? Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated Holocaust camps and liberated those innocent people from those who had survived the Holocaust? I certainly think the answer is yes.”

I am atheist. I totally agree with freedom of religion and all that, but FFS, the US government is supposed to be secular. And here we have the VP, who is supposed to be leading peace talks with a theocratic state, coming out with crap like that.

This is supposed to be a thinking man. A master debater. Someone who can grapple with the complex issues facing humanity. And here he is in 2026, saying he knows what side "God" is on.

CNN goes on :

"Vance’s remarks were interrupted briefly by a member of the audience, who shouted that Jesus would not have supported genocide.

When we came in, the humanitarian situation in Gaza was an absolute catastrophe,” Vance responded. “You know, who’s the person who got a peace agreement in Gaza? Donald J. Trump.”

And there we have it. It's pure Monty Python.

He Has No Deal, He Has No Dice - Trump Thread #162
RedTagAlan · 15/04/2026 04:13

Big bit of water and it will take time for interdictions to happen. From the CBS feed:

"U.S. destroyer interdicts 2 oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, U.S. official tells CBS News
A U.S. destroyer interdicted two oil tankers on Tuesday in the Strait of Hormuz, a U.S. official confirmed to CBS News.
The official said the two ships were part of the six merchant vessels U.S. forces told to turn back to an Iranian port on the Gulf of Oman in the initial 24 hours of the blockade. Reuters was first to report on the interdiction.
In that same timeframe, more than 20 other ships not from Iranian ports transited safely through the strait, the U.S. official said. "

I can't see the YouTube vids about this. But a quick ciggie pack calculation. Gulf of Oman is 181000 sq km. I think the US has 10 ships there. But one is a carrier, so that can't do interdictions. And it will use up maybe 3 destroyers for air defence. Not sure about likes of the USS Tripoli. That's basically a mini carrier. So lets be generous and say 5 fast destroyers for interdiction. So thats 36200 sq km per destroyer. That means each ship covers a radius of 107 km. A destroyer at 30 knots will take 2 hours to cover that distance. And once that destroyer is committed to an interdiction it is out of the game for a long time. Because what will it do with the tanker ? Give it a ticket and say "don't do it again". Or put a US crew on board ?

I have confused my brain now. But yeah. Same as with the ammo, it's a numbers game. This won't be over in 2 weeks.

LaverneBakerImtheonetodoitNSOUL · 15/04/2026 04:30

Wasn't it British troops that reached the concentration camps first in WW2?
God must've been on holiday during the Vietnam,Afghanistan conflicts.
For me the 'America has God on its side'
Is the utterances from another century backward and ridiculous.

LaverneBakerImtheonetodoitNSOUL · 15/04/2026 04:36

See it was Russian ,British and American soldiers overtime that liberated the camps not just American .

RedTagAlan · 15/04/2026 04:38

More Whitehouse/ Trump stupidity/bending of the truth. Do they really think people are so stupid?

CBS feed :

"White House says 103 empty vessels heading to American ports to load U.S. oil
More than 100 empty oil tankers are on their way to U.S. ports to load American crude, the White House said Tuesday.
Boasting record-breaking energy production, the White House said the U.S. is "providing a critical lifeline to the world" amid a global gas and oil crisis triggered by the war with Iran.
Of the 103 empty vessels, 54 are Very Large Crude Carriers capable of transporting approximately two million barrels, the Trump administration said.
Among them were "20 empty tankers under European flags and 20 under Asian flags" that had "recently unloaded elsewhere," the White House said.
In a Truth Social post on Saturday, President Trump said "massive numbers" of empty oil ships were on their way.
"We have more oil than the next two largest oil economies combined - and higher quality. We are waiting for you," he said.
The U.S. is the world's largest crude producer, with an output of 13 million barrels per day before the war began, according to the Energy Information Administration (EIA). It exports roughly 11 million barrels of oil daily, and imports 8 million, making the U.S. a net oil exporter."

This bit:

"It exports roughly 11 million barrels of oil daily, and imports 8 million, making the U.S. a net oil exporter."

Yup. So basically, there is always loads of empties on their way. Unless the US sends 11 million barrels per day by post.

And this bit:

"20 empty tankers under European flags and 20 under Asian flags" that had "recently unloaded elsewhere,"

Yup, that is how it works. They load in one place, and unload elsewhere.

There is also the small matter of why the US imports 8 mil a day while exporting 11 mil. Could it be Mr T that different oils are used for different things? So when you say " and higher quality.", what you actually mean is your oil is a different type.

Remind us Mr T. Who triggered this war ?

logicisall · 15/04/2026 06:18

Having learned nothing from his first outing, Trump's going after the Pope again.

US president Donald Trump has escalated his war of words with Pope Leo XIV through his latest post on Truth Social.
In a midnight post, Trump wrote: "Will someone please tell Pope Leo that Iran has killed at least 42,000 innocent, completely unarmed, protesters in the last two months, and that for Iran to have a Nuclear Bomb is absolutely unacceptable.
"Thank you for your attention to this matter. AMERICA IS BACK!!!"

MsJinks · 15/04/2026 06:18

Re Vance - I probably wouldn’t try and negotiate a line between Trump’s view on the Catholic God and the Pope’s - might just fail faster than his Iran negotiations.

Anyway, it reminded me that a certain Henry didn’t see eye to eye with the Pope - so there’s that option for Vance/Trump hmm.

logicisall · 15/04/2026 06:19

And

With an American blockade of the Strait of Hormuz now in force, US Central Command claimed Trump’s fleet now has “maritime superiority in the Middle East”.

Strait of Hormuz | The Independent

The latest breaking news, comment and features from The Independent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/strait-of-hormuz

MsJinks · 15/04/2026 06:21

Thank you @RedTagAlan- illuminating on how the US blockade works (or doesn’t) - though sorta fancied seeing a Johnny Depp lookalike hunting down ships on the high seas - have to stick that in fantasy zone, shame Trump never does.

LaverneBakerImtheonetodoitNSOUL · 15/04/2026 06:22

@logicisall The faux concern for Iranian protesters is beyond awful.
He hung them out to dry.

logicisall · 15/04/2026 06:23

The stuff coming out of the WH Regime reminds me of the time my primary school dd came home and said that her teacher had got her in trouble at school.

MsJinks · 15/04/2026 06:26

logicisall · 15/04/2026 06:18

Having learned nothing from his first outing, Trump's going after the Pope again.

US president Donald Trump has escalated his war of words with Pope Leo XIV through his latest post on Truth Social.
In a midnight post, Trump wrote: "Will someone please tell Pope Leo that Iran has killed at least 42,000 innocent, completely unarmed, protesters in the last two months, and that for Iran to have a Nuclear Bomb is absolutely unacceptable.
"Thank you for your attention to this matter. AMERICA IS BACK!!!"

How does he not realise some of his followers were bigly annoyed by this? And many others. At the least I’d have thought that would penetrate and he’d leave well alone.

His attempts to prove he knows more of the Catholic faith/God are I suppose evidence of a complex/dementia - though I find it all staggering.

As above he reminds me of our ole Henry - who I believe had syphilis. But that’s from school history and I’m no medic.

logicisall · 15/04/2026 06:31

LaverneBakerImtheonetodoitNSOUL · 15/04/2026 06:22

@logicisall The faux concern for Iranian protesters is beyond awful.
He hung them out to dry.

I've mentioned on an earlier thread that I'd met an Iranian at the gym. Yesterday we were chatting and on the subject of the Iranian war, she said that even though about 60% of Iranians did not like their religious leaders, they were Iranians first and totally now stand behind their country against the US.

Did Trump forsee this? Net probably did, but didn't care as he's primarily concerned with damaging Iran financially & economically for funding Hezbollah.

MushMonster · 15/04/2026 07:04

The reports president after president after president had received from their intelligence agents did have it on. The rally around the flag.
There has been Regime change Trump tells us. Well, in a way.... These guys are younger, have that extra motivation that war puts into you and are now more cemented....

RedTagAlan · 15/04/2026 07:04

MsJinks · 15/04/2026 06:21

Thank you @RedTagAlan- illuminating on how the US blockade works (or doesn’t) - though sorta fancied seeing a Johnny Depp lookalike hunting down ships on the high seas - have to stick that in fantasy zone, shame Trump never does.

I don't know how it works. Trying to figure it out :-)

This war is really odd I think because we can't believe a single word either side says. When the Turd Reich says it has interdicted two tankers we don't know what it means. It should mean they have taken over control and taken them to a neutral port (or are taking them). But with this mob it could mean they have emailed a strongly worded lawyers' letter. Or it could be they say return to port or we will fire upon you ? The latter would not be a great look if the US were to start sinking full tankers.

No footage, no details. Nothing. And it is not for operational security, I think. It's for propaganda.

logicisall · 15/04/2026 07:07

@RedTagAlan out of curiosity, are you able to access when I link gift articles?

MushMonster · 15/04/2026 07:14

logicisall · 15/04/2026 07:02

And in other news, the Russians are feeling their oats.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/28ea21303cac2e18

They are getting bolder and bolder....
Thanks to Mr Trump!

RedTagAlan · 15/04/2026 07:24

logicisall · 15/04/2026 07:07

@RedTagAlan out of curiosity, are you able to access when I link gift articles?

Nope. Blocked. As are the news folk who do gift articles. And archived is blocked.

The web is being actively censored. News stories that can be found on search in the morning are gone by the afternoon. If ships of a certain nation are "interdicted" I expect all western news will be gone. Local browsers do not allow access to western news sites. And the one foreign search engine has been blocked before.

I don't know about safari though. I have no idea about MN.

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