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He Has No Deal, He Has No Dice - Trump Thread #162

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Spandauer · 12/04/2026 17:39

Old enough to remember whole years in which I barely thought about the American president.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/chat/5513875-depraved-desperate-deluded-and-dangerous-trump-thread-160

eta: in my haste I think I've numbered the thread incorrectly! Oh well.

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namechangedtemporarily123 · 19/04/2026 14:44

So JD Vance isn’t joining. I wonder if the Pope’s words have had some effect.

PerkingFaintly · 19/04/2026 14:49

logicisall · 19/04/2026 14:18

The Times did not report that a UK freighter had been fired upon yesterday, but instead thatTrump had said a UK freighter was fired upon yesterday.

A difference to me?

Edited

Ah I see, thanks. Yes, I didn't follow which was the "this" which hadn't been reported.

Always a hazard when trying to understand who is claiming that someone else is claiming that some other party is claiming... something, in Trumpty Dumpty land!Grin

Efacsen · 19/04/2026 14:52

Sorry to be a pest @Spandauer but already on Page 40 - so will be needing a new thread soon

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

RedTagAlan · 19/04/2026 14:53

namechangedtemporarily123 · 19/04/2026 14:44

So JD Vance isn’t joining. I wonder if the Pope’s words have had some effect.

Sky news says it is Vance. Or JD as he likes to be called,

I suspect he got the name JD from his pals. " FFS, him again. Give me a JD quick".

Yeah. Lame. But I am confused.

RedTagAlan · 19/04/2026 14:56

PerkingFaintly · 19/04/2026 14:49

Ah I see, thanks. Yes, I didn't follow which was the "this" which hadn't been reported.

Always a hazard when trying to understand who is claiming that someone else is claiming that some other party is claiming... something, in Trumpty Dumpty land!Grin

TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ?

I struggle with playing draughts. Never mind this 5D chess jiggery pokery.

Spandauer · 19/04/2026 14:59

So he's awake and posting... I try to avoid the 🍊💩 on a Sunday but just snuck a look and saw that we are going to need another new thread soon for the next few days hours of The Drumpf Derangement & Delusion Show.

It's not going to get better anytime soon, is it?

New thread for laters.
(thanks to PPs for title etc)

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5518997-schrodingers-strait-trump-thread-162a

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logicisall · 19/04/2026 15:00

@PerkingFaintly I could have been clearer as we're probably all suffering Trump Truth fatigue by now.

In a few hours time it will be déjà vu Monday: markets fall, oil prices rise, we need a new bingo card, Starmer tries to get out of a Mandelson shaped hole ...

I'm going to watch David Attenborough's A gorilla's story on Netflix to reset my brain in preparation for the onslaught.

logicisall · 19/04/2026 15:08

@RedTagAlan Taken from a Times article, this might be of interest to you.

The single biggest client of Lord Mandelson’s lobbying firm was a company linked to the Chinese military, according to leaked documents.

Last year Global Counsel, in which Mandelson retained shares while he was the UK ambassador to Washington, received £2.24 million from WuXi AppTec, a Shanghai-listed life science company. In 2024, when Mandelson’s appointment was announced, it received £1.42 million.
As a result, the company topped a list of “biggest clients by revenue” shared among senior executives at Global Counsel, co-founded by the peer in 2010.

The Pentagon recently described WuXi as a company engaged in assisting the Chinese military and urged Congress to add it to a list of companies that pose security risks, according to Bloomberg.
Its alleged links to the Chinese People’s Liberation Army and human rights abuses in Xinjiang long predated its work with the company.

Ge Li, WuXi’s chair and chief executive, signed an open letter in 2024 which denied the company posed a national security risk to any country. “We strongly object to blanket allegations and preemptive actions against our company without due process,” the letter added.
The disclosures come as senior government sources said it had been the peer’s foreign links that accounted for the decision by the UK Security Vetting agency to recommend against his appointment, rather than his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.

https://archive.ph/pGrbE

Peter Mandelson

Peter Mandelson

https://www.thetimes.com/topic/peter-mandelson

Pedallleur · 19/04/2026 15:18

Was all great fun for a few days. Bigly bombers ruled the skies and the Iranians were begging for a deal. Trump was going to bomb them for fun! He was talking to great people and the Straits were open/closed/open/closed. Not looking so good now is it? Hubris can be a bad thing. Good news is his mates in the Bank/Oil business have made some $$$$$$ and those arms companies will be getting orders to replenish the stock.

RedTagAlan · 19/04/2026 15:29

logicisall · 19/04/2026 15:08

@RedTagAlan Taken from a Times article, this might be of interest to you.

The single biggest client of Lord Mandelson’s lobbying firm was a company linked to the Chinese military, according to leaked documents.

Last year Global Counsel, in which Mandelson retained shares while he was the UK ambassador to Washington, received £2.24 million from WuXi AppTec, a Shanghai-listed life science company. In 2024, when Mandelson’s appointment was announced, it received £1.42 million.
As a result, the company topped a list of “biggest clients by revenue” shared among senior executives at Global Counsel, co-founded by the peer in 2010.

The Pentagon recently described WuXi as a company engaged in assisting the Chinese military and urged Congress to add it to a list of companies that pose security risks, according to Bloomberg.
Its alleged links to the Chinese People’s Liberation Army and human rights abuses in Xinjiang long predated its work with the company.

Ge Li, WuXi’s chair and chief executive, signed an open letter in 2024 which denied the company posed a national security risk to any country. “We strongly object to blanket allegations and preemptive actions against our company without due process,” the letter added.
The disclosures come as senior government sources said it had been the peer’s foreign links that accounted for the decision by the UK Security Vetting agency to recommend against his appointment, rather than his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.

https://archive.ph/pGrbE

Without even looking it up, I can already picture the investors etc in this WuXi AppTec. The founder almost aways went to Tsinghua university. Came totally out the blue, and if you dig into who invested it always comes down to State owned companies, municipal funds, and a few wall street things thrown in.

The Party has a really complex, but not too difficult to find, way to make state owned companies appear to be private. I am not good at financial stuff at all. But this one.... hmmmmm... appears to be largely blocked.

SerendipityJane · 19/04/2026 15:52

RedTagAlan · 19/04/2026 15:29

Without even looking it up, I can already picture the investors etc in this WuXi AppTec. The founder almost aways went to Tsinghua university. Came totally out the blue, and if you dig into who invested it always comes down to State owned companies, municipal funds, and a few wall street things thrown in.

The Party has a really complex, but not too difficult to find, way to make state owned companies appear to be private. I am not good at financial stuff at all. But this one.... hmmmmm... appears to be largely blocked.

You can bet your life they learned it at Eton ...

Spandauer · 19/04/2026 16:36

I don't have access to the WSJ, but assuming this report has truth in it, given what we know about the Stable Genius and his military expertise.

A stunning new report in the WSJ reveals that military advisers intentionally excluded Donald Trump from the command room during the recent high-stakes operation to extract a downed U.S. airman in Iran, because they feared his erratic behavior could jeopardize the mission.
According to The Wall Street Journal, Trump was in such a volatile state after Iran shot down a U.S. jet that he spent hours screaming at aides in the West Wing, obsessing over the political fallout and invoking Jimmy Carter and the 1979 hostage crisis.
Officials made the call to limit his access, only briefing him at “meaningful moments” instead of giving him real-time control.
Meanwhile, the operation itself nearly fell apart, with aircraft stuck in desert sand and U.S. forces scrambling to avoid Iranian detection. The airman was eventually rescued, but the chaos didn’t end there.
Just hours later, Trump woke up and fired off his profanity-laced threat online, warning Iran it would be left “living in Hell.”
https://bsky.app/profile/meidastouch.com/post/3mjua7yxm5d2b

MeidasTouch (@meidastouch.com)

6/6 https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/trump-public-bravado-private-fear-59814dca?mod=hp_lead_pos7

https://bsky.app/profile/meidastouch.com/post/3mjua7yxm5d2b

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logicisall · 19/04/2026 16:38

WuXi googling led me to this...microwave tech.

China’s ‘land aircraft carrier’ charges flying drone with microwave beam
While the technology is still at an early stage, it may one day allow drones to fly indefinitely
A vehicle that can zap energy into a fleet of drones, allowing them to fly indefinitely, is getting closer to becoming a battlefield reality.

Scientists in China have demonstrated a wireless power transmission system that uses a ground-based microwave emitter to beam energy to an antenna array mounted on the aircraft’s underside. Importantly, they were able to do this while both the drone and charging system were in motion.
Some analysts have likened the concept to a “land-based aircraft carrier”, in which an armoured vehicle could function as a mobile command and energy node, launching and sustaining drones much just as naval carriers support aircraft.

And:

At the Northwest Institute of Nuclear Technology in Xian, Shaanxi province, sits an unremarkable-looking device called the TPG1000Cs.

It could become Starlink’s worst nightmare.
The TPG1000Cs is the world’s first compact driver for a high-power microwave (HPM) weapon, capable of delivering an extraordinary 20 gigawatts of power for up to one full minute.

I came away even more aware that war drives tech innovation even faster.😬

Drones: Latest News and Updates | South China Morning Post

The latest news, analysis and opinion on drones, especially Chinese drone makers and drone usage.

https://www.scmp.com/topics/drones?module=inline&pgtype=article

logicisall · 19/04/2026 16:41

RedTagAlan · 19/04/2026 15:29

Without even looking it up, I can already picture the investors etc in this WuXi AppTec. The founder almost aways went to Tsinghua university. Came totally out the blue, and if you dig into who invested it always comes down to State owned companies, municipal funds, and a few wall street things thrown in.

The Party has a really complex, but not too difficult to find, way to make state owned companies appear to be private. I am not good at financial stuff at all. But this one.... hmmmmm... appears to be largely blocked.

👏
Dr. Chris Chen, the CEO of WuXi Biologics, holds bachelor's degrees in chemical engineering and automation from Tsinghua University and a Ph.D. in chemical engineering from the University of Delaware.

Efacsen · 19/04/2026 16:41

Spandauer · 19/04/2026 16:36

I don't have access to the WSJ, but assuming this report has truth in it, given what we know about the Stable Genius and his military expertise.

A stunning new report in the WSJ reveals that military advisers intentionally excluded Donald Trump from the command room during the recent high-stakes operation to extract a downed U.S. airman in Iran, because they feared his erratic behavior could jeopardize the mission.
According to The Wall Street Journal, Trump was in such a volatile state after Iran shot down a U.S. jet that he spent hours screaming at aides in the West Wing, obsessing over the political fallout and invoking Jimmy Carter and the 1979 hostage crisis.
Officials made the call to limit his access, only briefing him at “meaningful moments” instead of giving him real-time control.
Meanwhile, the operation itself nearly fell apart, with aircraft stuck in desert sand and U.S. forces scrambling to avoid Iranian detection. The airman was eventually rescued, but the chaos didn’t end there.
Just hours later, Trump woke up and fired off his profanity-laced threat online, warning Iran it would be left “living in Hell.”
https://bsky.app/profile/meidastouch.com/post/3mjua7yxm5d2b

Interesting - thank you

RedTagAlan · 19/04/2026 17:02

logicisall · 19/04/2026 16:41

👏
Dr. Chris Chen, the CEO of WuXi Biologics, holds bachelor's degrees in chemical engineering and automation from Tsinghua University and a Ph.D. in chemical engineering from the University of Delaware.

Yeah. I don't know if there is a term for it, I think of it as almost pretend society. That is, the state media is set up to "look like" western free press. But it's pretend. It's all the same guv dpt. Corporates are the same. Designed to look like capitalism, but it's not. Even the Government really is sort of pretend in a way. Above it all is the Party.

Someone like Mandelson should know all this. I got the WuXi website, and its list of investors. Pick any at random, do a "who owns XYZ investments", and it soon becomes clear. My own " who owns...." search came up with redirections.

RedTagAlan · 19/04/2026 17:12

logicisall · 19/04/2026 16:38

WuXi googling led me to this...microwave tech.

China’s ‘land aircraft carrier’ charges flying drone with microwave beam
While the technology is still at an early stage, it may one day allow drones to fly indefinitely
A vehicle that can zap energy into a fleet of drones, allowing them to fly indefinitely, is getting closer to becoming a battlefield reality.

Scientists in China have demonstrated a wireless power transmission system that uses a ground-based microwave emitter to beam energy to an antenna array mounted on the aircraft’s underside. Importantly, they were able to do this while both the drone and charging system were in motion.
Some analysts have likened the concept to a “land-based aircraft carrier”, in which an armoured vehicle could function as a mobile command and energy node, launching and sustaining drones much just as naval carriers support aircraft.

And:

At the Northwest Institute of Nuclear Technology in Xian, Shaanxi province, sits an unremarkable-looking device called the TPG1000Cs.

It could become Starlink’s worst nightmare.
The TPG1000Cs is the world’s first compact driver for a high-power microwave (HPM) weapon, capable of delivering an extraordinary 20 gigawatts of power for up to one full minute.

I came away even more aware that war drives tech innovation even faster.😬

Can you email that to MGT :-)

It all screams vapourware to me. But she might like "commie space lasers" instead of the Jewish variety.

From your clip " Some analysts have likened the concept to a “land-based aircraft carrier”, in which an armoured vehicle could function as a mobile command and energy node, launching and sustaining drones much just as naval carriers support aircraft."

Crap analysts then. Last I saw, aircraft carriers don't do that. Now, if the drones were to land and get their batteries changed, that would be like a carrier.

Vapourware.

:-)

dapsnotplimsolls · 19/04/2026 17:14

The Pope has encouraged a lasting ceasefire. No doubt Chump will react badly.

dapsnotplimsolls · 19/04/2026 17:39

People are using

dapsnotplimsolls · 19/04/2026 17:39

the other thread

dapsnotplimsolls · 19/04/2026 17:40

so I'll fill

dapsnotplimsolls · 19/04/2026 17:41

this one

dapsnotplimsolls · 19/04/2026 17:41

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