What automatically makes you think people are idiots?

[FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods]

For me it’s:

people who think that Michael Jackson isn’t a pedophile.

people who say things like “Londanistan” “Bradfordistan”

People who say “If the Holocaust is real, why do the tattoo numbers only go up to 5 digits”

Lots of the stuff already stated, plus the people who return their trollley at the supermarket and attach it to a line of trolleys which is already at maximum capacity so the trolleys then jut out and obstruct the driving routes in the car park. It’s such a small thing but I can’t express how much it irritates me and every time I see someone do it, I think ‘You are either immensely stupid or incredibly lazy or just a self-absorbed twat’.

Oh. I hadn’t read the whole thread but now see that folks are discussing stuff that’s a bit more serious than trolleys 😬😂

See also people in the airport security queue who think the security scan fairy removes their belongings boxes from the conveyor and returns them to the stack after their belongings have gone through the scanner.

It’s interesting how many posters have said conspiracy theorists. Not all conspiracy theories are equally ridiculous.

Until recently, the idea that there was a global elite engaged in a child sex abuse operation was a conspiracy theory.

I think if you ask most people, there’s normally at least one conspiracy theory that they consider as potentially true.

…no? at the end of a question, instead of ‘isn’t it? or whatever other question tag, as they are called.

People who pay for personalised number plates - thick AND vain

If you truly believe you are not anti-semitic/sincerely do not wish to be, then please, for the love of God, do some reflecting on your internal biases, because your subconscious is leaking.

As for this: Finally and most importantly, I’m so glad that I was proven right! Mumsnet is full of fake accounts deliberately stirring up division in a VERY insidious manner, so glad that BILLIONS of pounds in propaganda didn’t work on me. I’m a human, with empathy for a nation of people being oppressed and I will always stand on their side, no matter what their religion. ✌️

I'm not clear if you're responding to me or somebody else, but I wasn't the one who came on here posting anti-semitic invectives, stirring things up on a thread that was meant to be enjoyable. I've been on MN for more than ten years, and while I've changed username a few times, I've been posting under this one for quite a while, on a broad range of topics.

Insinuating a poster must be a fake account, as a way of discrediting people who call you out, is a shabby way to behave.

Anyway, back to the spirit of the thread.

People who, in a nearly-empty cinema, book their tickets right next to yours, when there are hundreds of other seats available. See also car parks - if the car park is almost empty, why park in the space directly next to mine?! Learn the concept of personal space, people!

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/einsteins-last-speech

Zionism’s is simply the belief that Jews have the right to a homeland and self determination.

Whats wrong with that?

Most Jews are Zionists. This is a fact. Those 5 names (one of whom has been dead for 60 years) mean nothing compared to the hundreds of thousands of Jews who rightly feel the need to have the safety of a homeland away from the rampant antisemitism of the of the world.

Im an idiot because I think Jews should have a fraction of what Muslims and Christian’s have.

I’ll ask again - what’s wrong with Zionism? Explain please

And why did you conflate the Gaza war with the Shoah? Why do you expect all Jews to be collectively responsible

And just like you don’t mean to say “Muslim” to be Islamophobic and don’t need to say “gay” to be homophobic, you don’t need to say Jew to be antisemitic

Now would you like to learn more about why you have been called antisemitic? Are you interested in hearing the nuances to look out for? Are you interested in hearing first hand experience of how views like your directly harm British Jews? Or; as I strongly suspect, do you just not give a shit?

Ill ask another time - are women who say they were raped by Palestinians on October 7th liars?
And do you also hold British Muslims to account for the actions of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Islamic Republic and the many many primitive and misogynistic Muslim countries? If not why not? Afterall, you addressed me saying that I don’t have the right to treat Palestinians that way I do. Even though I’m not Israeli.

Also @OneWittyGuide i missed the deleted post entirely - did you come on here to say that my thread is propoganda because I mentioned who idiotic Holocaust denial is??

I find it hysterical that you boast you aren’t falling for Jewish propaganda because <checks notes> you see that I’m a bot(🤣) - but are you not embarrassed you’ve fallen for the propoganda of terrorists, woman hating child murdering rapist terrorists? Who’d kill you in a heartbeat given half the chance? I always wondered which numbskulls actually believe the Hamas PR machine, I thought those people were an urban myth. Turns out not! Fascinating. They don’t appreciate your support BTW - they are laughing at you for falling for it all.

So you’re anti-immigration then?
How far back does this belief go? Because it’s a fact that Jewish people are indigenous to Israel.

Muslims also kicked people out of dozens of countries - how do you feel about that? Or is it different for Jews

Nobdody is “entitled” to live anywhere. We all end up where we end up and immigration makes the world go round. History full of people kicking others out of countries, and recent history is full of countries much bigger than Israel, kicking more people out - including the Jews from Israel. though many Palestinians chose to leave because they hated the thought of living alongside Jews. Would you tolerate this hate for any other group? So why does the only Jewish state make you so angry even though there’s worse countries to be angry about?

Also, the world was a mess after WW2 - there were huge question marks over many territories, and the Jews were not welcome back with open arms and love. Antisemitism was actually higher than ever and after surviving torture, starvation and near death, many survived pushing their dead relatives round in wheelbarrows, and returned home to be killed in pogroms. Israel was needed to stop Holocaust 2.0, and that continues to be the case. Immigration by its very anther is to provide a safe haven for refugees in danger - are you opposed to that?

Israel was given to the Jewish people fair and square. By the British and the UN. Although there were plenty living there before 1948. Such was the strength of hatred towards them, they were attacked after one day of settling by neighbouring Arab countries. The Jews made Israel thrive - turning it into the only democracy in the Middle East, making the most diverse, woman-friendly LGBT-friendly country in the region and in fact the world. The Jews also left Gaza in 2005. And what did the Palestinians do, when they were given billions by the EU, UK and USA - did they invest In infrastructure, schools, buildings, sewer systems and jobs? No. They instead elected a terrorist organisation, spent the money making Hamas leader billionaires and heavily armed themselves while their people suffered. They pose an increasingly violent threat to ALL Jews, and if someone who demonstrably wanted to kill you lived in the next town, you would have heavy security too.

Jews are not like everyone else. We have been on the brink of extinction again and again and we are dwindling, living in hate while we do - we can’t afford to be complacent when a violent hateful force continues to tell us they will kill us - and murders and rapes our people. Including the rape of men and women and the murder of children.

I’m repeating this as if really like a answer:
are women who say they were raped by Palestinians on October 7th liars?

And do you also hold British Muslims to account for the actions of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Islamic Republic and the many many primitive and misogynistic Muslim countries? If not why not? Afterall, you addressed me saying that I don’t have the right to treat Palestinians that way I do. Even though I’m not Israeli.

I also like to find out what’s wrong with Zionism. Why so butthurt over Jews having one country?

I can absolutely understand why people want a homeland. I wish I could see a way to sort it all out, but there is so much pain and suffering on both sides, I don’t see how they can work together to find a solution. My heart breaks for all the people suffering because of this.

@mnhq Why are you allowing one user to hijack this thread with antisemitism, Holocaust inversion and personal attacks?

Totally agree. I thought mumsnet was supposed be be impartial and balanced. Clearly not the case with the amount of antisemitism being allowed here.

If I say how I feel about MNHQ’s stance on antisemitism I’d get banned but I agree I’m surprised such an over racist hasn’t been banned yet

Anyway this thread was formerly fun so back to it, with one I thought of today

People who look backwards in the street while walking forwards and have the nerve to look annoyed when they bang into someone

I’ve just spotted @OneWittyGuide’s first post - Michael Jackson, the worlds most obvious pedophile, supported Palestine so hes “supposedlh a pedo”. God isn’t it funny this one posters denies the rapes and sexual abuses of people who don’t fit with their world view

I also think the intelligence levels (or lack of) shine through when my OP was saying Islamophobia are idiots, not the other way around

Oh and @OneWittyGuide the very obvious pedophile Michael Jackson is mentioned in the Epstein files. A lot. Just to answer your question

You can believe in the right to a homeland all you want but NO ONE, no person, no country, no religion, no business, no institution, have a right to dispossess the people who are currently living on that land and have been for thousands of years, just because they believe it.

I’ll ask again - you don’t believe in immigration? Many Palestinians left voluntarily, many also stayed it UNWRA counts all of them and their descendants as displaced. Even daughter’s is USA billionaires. And I’ll ask again- when is your cut off? 1948? Because there have been much bigger and more recent displacements. Are you against that too? Or just the Jewish one? You say “thousands of years” but what about the fact the Jews HAVE been there for longer than any Palestinian. Was it OK that they were displaced?

Im asking about the belief in Zionism and what’s wrong with it. Why don’t Jews get their homeland to live in?

Tell me why Israel, who is currently occupying Palestine, is allowed to do what’s it’s doing?

There is no occupation. The Jews got Israel fair and square and the Arabs didn’t want to live alongside them. The Jews left Gaza in 2005 and the Palestinans created third world state with no efforts for a good life for anyone but their terrorist male leaders. They have waged a continuous campaign against Israelis and Jews. But sure, blame the Jews

Answer this one question, what would you do if I came to your house and took it because I believed I had the right to?

Answer the ons I’ve asked you first and I’ll answer this.

Again, nobody is saying Israel hasn’t done many bad things. The expectation of perfection is for all very odd. But for Israelis in 2026, who would literally be killed and ARE killed anywhere else in the world, don’t deserve to be punished for what other people before their time did. They are trying to protect their state - a state BTW which flourishes in equality, science, medicine, innovations and gay rights - and everyone is having a hissy fit over it.

On that note - how com Gaza is under Sharia law and not like Israel? Because the liberal Israelis demand it?

And have you ever spoken to an Israeli BTW?

Zionists want to live peacefully with Palestinians then they need to stop occupying Palestine

What do you think would happen to Jews if Israel stopped defending themselves? Would Hamas so “cheers no worries”? How about Hamas step down, go to jail where they belong and then maybe the Palestinians would have a chance. But why the hell should Israel give their attackers any favours or trust after October 7th?

And it’s hilarious that Jews are seen as the occupiers. Islam is a religion that’s relitavely young. There are 55 Muslim countries…but Jews are the occupiers? Sure

Which brings me back to an earlier point, there are 5 million Palestinians, if Israel manages to kill and/or remove them all from Gaza and the West Bank, I think in future years historians will call it another holocaust.

I don’t think maths is your strong suit mate.

And no it’s not another Holocaust. It’s deeply offensive to call it that - just stop it. It’s a war. Like many other wars. I don’t remember Jews in the 1930’s kicking Germans out a territory, arming themselves as a terrorist group then bombing, murdering, raping and kidnapping German men women and children. Do you??

I’ll ask again - are the Jewish women raped on October 7th liars? You implied they are.

And what did you expect Jews to do after WW2? Hang around to get killed like their families? What would YOU do?

And answer me this a do you tell British Muslims that they’ve no right to rape 9 year olds girls in Iraq?? Why not. You told me I shouldn’t be terrorising Palestinians. Even though I am not Israeli

Look - support Palestians, I don’t care if people do or not. But have the respect to don’t without being antisemitic. I’ve offered to explain what antisemitism is - you haven’t taken me up on that offer. Why not?

And answer me - did those a Jewish woman lie about being raped? You seem to think so

When again you’ve swallowed the same lies Germans swallowed about Jews being conspirators, liars, crooked, in control of the world and out to get everyone. So I don’t expect much intelligence. How embarrassing you’ve fallen for actual Nazi propoganda

Answer this one question, what would you do if I came to your house and took it because I believed I had the right to?

BTW this is happening in MUCH greater numbers TODAY around the world to Christians Uyghers and Muslims. But you aren’t as mad about it happening 80 years ago.

But yeah sure it’s defo not about the Jews, no way Jose.

And how do you feel about 40,000 odd murders of Persians for simply protesting against a brutal murderous government? Not bothered I suspect as the Islamic Regime are anti-Israel, and anyone opposing that is wrong in your book?