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Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

In the context of that poster’s question, yes. They had argued that the children of immigrants wouldn’t be British were they then born here, either. They absolutely would.

We’ve known several people over the years who have obtained British citizenship and tbh, they still considered themselves as American, Australian and Hong King Chinese. They very much considered their children to be British, though.

No it really Is not the same case but that was not my point in the first place.

I’d also like to remember the case of Victoria Climbié. This changed safeguarding frameworks everywhere through the Lord Laming Inquiry and updated legislation.

For those who don’t remember or it was before their time, Victoria Adjo Climbié was Ivorian and only eight when she was tortured and murdered in 2000 by her great-aunt and partner.

The ramifications were huge across the board, rightly so.

Having said that, I do think the UK needs a very honest discussion about whether that same robustness of response would happen today.

You won’t be able to have any sort of conversation about this.

In America, black people are only 13% of the population yet commit over half the murders, and we still cannot have a productive conversation on this. Do they even release the ethnic breakdown of violent criminals in the UK?

You haven’t ‘watched’ anything.

I haven’t speculated they have MH issues, as you did. Nor that they’re county lines. I answered a question you asked and now you’re going on the attack.

You need to step back and read posts.

I'd be grabbing my passport/ID as well as my iPhone.

I worked for the civil service in the late 80s and clearly remember having to check incoming post for signs of bombs. Greasy marks, wires etc. I also remember raised threat levels after the Admiral Duncan bombing because of the nature of the place I worked at at the time.

My reply was to a pp talking about immigration and not the events of last night.

On the other thread we had a number of posters calling for the boats to be bombed... i reported, MN didn't take down, calling for mass murder of migrants has become the norm.... Lest We Forget....

If you had one. Not sure how many rural Afghans or Sudanese people have the wherewithal to acquire one.
Most of us have absolutely no notion of the incredibly basic nature of daily life in such places.

Actually as my nickname shows, I hate Farage, however now start seeing the logic - PLEASE DO VOTE FOR THEM.

I dont consider myself to be anything apart from an ordinary British person going about my daily life. I have never had any issues as both myself and my DC are blond and blue eyed, and I've had some "nice" people telling me "but you are British, you are one of us" - doubt they would have said it if I had different colouring.

I had a discussion recently with a friends who's very aware he has descended form the Huguenots. Should he be considering himself French, not English? What about Black people who's ancestry goes back hundreds of years? What about Indian families who came here 2 centuries ago? I'm very aware some people have the opinion you can't be English if you are not white - which is a definition of racism for me.

It makes me so scared for the future of this country.

I don’t know until further details are released when I was listening to the eye witnesses they all kept using similar working “ people came running down saying he was stabbing “
only one man was tasered.

Of course you would. I don’t even know where my id is as I don’t carry my purse with me.

I don’t like people vandalising places by painting flags on them, shouting at hotel or rioting in the street that are carried out by people with fucked up ideologies.

But we’re not allowed to be scared by that. Because then they claim we hate Britain.

And loads of posters were apparently fine with it too.

YES, you are right

'find it hard to believe this attack does not have a terrorist motive'

It doesn't matter what the reason is really, atrocities are just becoming the norm.

It's a cultural thing some people carry knives and we are seeing more and more attacks. Police need to increase stop and search, communities need to report incitement on sm and by that I don't mean people like Lucy cConnelly but those who are actually demonstrating their desire to cause harm.

I very much doubt that these 2 attempting murder were unknown to either the Police or some kind of service provider.

Four lines of our family tree go back to the early/mid 1600s in England and Scotland. One of them swung off to Jamaica which means I have a 9x black great grandfather. I suspect some people on this thread would consider me not British enough!

Even if it's not specifically Islamic terrorism (still a possibility), a planned mass murder on a train is definitely terrorism, and there will be a good reason the police are refusing to release the attacker's identities.

Probably anti-white racism.