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Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

We know two were arrested, and I've not read anything about any altercation?
You are also speculating.
My point was, if not terrorism, the mindless violence is just as terrifying. And the fact that he had that knife on him.

And you know all that about these two men?

If they jumped through all the hoops to be Japanese citizens, yes. They’ve chosen to be Japanese.

If you are referring to groups like the Taliban, I think it's safe to say they are using religion as an excuse to oppress. The fault does not lie with the religion itself but with power-crazy men who exploit it and use it as a foil for their tyranny.
I say this as a complete atheist who thinks the world would be a far better place without children's heads being filled with any sort of fairy stories, actually, but I am heartily sick of the far-right demonization of one religious group, who are no more and no less deluded and/or likely to commit violent crime than any other!

I suppose Cheddar Man's descendants might have a claim?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_Man

How can we have "taken them in" if they were born here? And potentially their parents and grandparents were too.

Don't be absurd, most English are overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxon, I'm half Welsh and the Welsh are overwhelmingly Celt/Ancient Briton. Please do yourself a favour and look up the DNA stats of indigenous Brits instead of spreading misinformation and denying our ancestry, it is very offensive.

A high speed train with no scheduled stops between where they boarded until Kings X seems to be a strange place to 'plan' an atrocity - with no possibility of escape

Back in the days when Twitter was good fun (sadly gone now), it caused a great deal of dry merriment, especially from people who were living in NI at the time! Foolish woman. Something to do with a conspiracy theory about 5G masts, I think.

So when you said earlier in my view if a person is born here and raised here they are British, regardless of where their parents were born you didn’t mean it then?
I do t have the same experience of being British as the King. Or a Scottish sheep farmer. Or someone living in a high rise in a big city. There isn’t one experience. Which of us is more British?

Indigenous Pakistani isn’t really a think, what with Pakistani being a very new country. There are some ethnic groups more commonly found in Pakistani, but they’re also found elsewhere. I’m for example Gilgit, some people wrongly think we’re indigenous to Pakistan, but we’re also found in India, Afghanistan and China. Lots of countries don’t have a specific indigenous population, there’s nothing wrong with that. I believe the Sámi are the only indigenous people in mainland Europe

Can people stop using the term 'illegals'. It's dehumanising.

I've done a lot of family history and I am as far back as I can go on many, many lines white British, specifically English Midlands, to the point where a gt gt grandfather from Yorkshire was quite an exciting find.

Some unusual surnames way back indicate there is some Norman French (who were basically Viking) ancestry. Maybe someone should tell me to take one cheek of my marauding ancestor arse back to Normandy. It makes about as much sense as this indigenous nonsense.

Please also remember the many, many non white British service personnel from what was the Empire who volunteered to fight with us during the World Wars.

I suggest you look up Folie a Deux.

I'm interested in this response @MyNimbleBrickCritic I mistakenly used the term "English" when I meant "British." I stand corrected on that.

But - surely they are British, and the colour of their skin is irrelevant?

Certainly, I'd feel it to be a very racist thing to say that two people identified as British nationals are not British. Could you explain your post a bit more (this is a genuine question).

There are other posters on this tread claiming - in what seems to me to be quite racist terms - that even f people are born here, they are not "one of us." I find that statement to be ethnocentric, and indeed, xenophobic.

He shouted 'kill me' to the police - perhaps he didn't want to escape

I would say it was an ideal scenario for the perpetrators. More time to attack people without them having any means of escape. A ‘captive audience’.

I’m giggling thinking about the one woman who cited TikTok as her source saying that it was for sure one lone immigrant.

'My point was, if not terrorism, the mindless violence is just as terrifying. And the fact that he had that knife on him'

Exactly. If not terrorism then violence on a massive scale, I couldn't care less what motivates these animals but they need to be identified and stopped.

Someone somewhere will have known he had a weapon and that they were violent and a threat. Instead of policing harmless people like Glinner the police need to identify and monitor these lunatics.

The science has moved on, humans may have evolved multi regionally. Not that it matters for this discussion

Oh the Saxon bit of Anglo Saxons. Where did they come from? (clue-not Britain)

Moved in when the Legions moved out, to the not overwhelmingly ecstatic welcome of the Romano Brit population at the time. See also, the Vikings, at a later date.

Yes I bet it will set a trend sadly.

You would love to make it about skin colour, but it is not. I couldn't care less about a person's skin colour, it is completely uninteresting to me. But yes, those who do not care for this nation, have no sense of loyalty or patriotism, who do not share our values and our culture - they are demonstrably not one of us.