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Whyandwhenandwho · 02/11/2025 09:36

Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

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PreciousTatas · 02/11/2025 13:56

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cottonwoolie · 02/11/2025 13:56

They won’t know that ye

I don't think they would say "no suggestion of terror" without being fairly sure.

Nestingbirds · 02/11/2025 13:57

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 13:55

Yes it’s all one great conspiracy and all the brown people are nasty rotten terrorists and we should shut our borders immediately

(sarcasm, for those who can’t tell)

Your posts are very annoying. It has nothing to do with their race or skin colour, it has everything to do with their motive and reasoning.

cardibach · 02/11/2025 13:58

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 13:55

So two men with paranoia? A mass stabbing due to this.

Stop. Speculating.
But yes, two people with paranoia who met in a MH clinic could wind each other up in this way, don't you think?

Like I said it’s not helpful to speculate as to the reasons for the attack, as per the police press conference, so I’ll be leaving it there.

Heroyamslava · 02/11/2025 13:58

HILARIOUS fantasy raycist world ,,, Reform will knacker the economy and get treated to a Wilders - like drubbing , as in Holland ... unbelievable the brittish electorate is so easily led by nazsties .

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 02/11/2025 13:58

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 13:55

So two men with paranoia? A mass stabbing due to this.

It is possible. Unlikely perhaps, but possible.

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 13:58

Nestingbirds · 02/11/2025 13:57

Your posts are very annoying. It has nothing to do with their race or skin colour, it has everything to do with their motive and reasoning.

Pot kettle springs to mind

Nestingbirds · 02/11/2025 13:58

cottonwoolie · 02/11/2025 13:56

They won’t know that ye

I don't think they would say "no suggestion of terror" without being fairly sure.

There are no obvious initial signs doesn’t mean it won’t be uncovered. It’s too early to say.

StewkeyBlue · 02/11/2025 13:59

Lifecouldbeadreamsweetheart · 02/11/2025 12:20

Exactly this. People unthinkingly say that present day Britain is some unprecedentedly dangerous war zone. It's nonsense. Crime statistics show that it's barely ever been safer. People forget the IRA, skinheads, unbelievable levels of domestic violence and CSA that just went unreported.

The biggest difference now is that it's all in the open and reported on 24hr news channels and social media constantly.

And football hooliganism was far more violent. Opposing fans used to throw Kung Fu Stars at each other - basically airborne razors.
Mods and Rockers and other groups used to hold huge battles on seafronts, wielding chains and knuckle dusters.
Violent attacks on women dismissed as 'a domestic' and not investigated or dealt with.
People dropping paving slabs off motorway bridges during the miners strike
Violent attacks on 'scabs' in the villages. (Anyone watch Sherwood? )
Hungerford
Asian families living with a bucket of water under the letterbox because of people pushing burning rags through
Violent racist attacks on black men going about their normal business

aah, the peaceful 70s and 80s....

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Whyandwhenandwho · 02/11/2025 13:59

cardibach · 02/11/2025 13:50

The press conference went exactly as many of us have expected
You mean it gave us the facts as they stand within criminal justice guidelines, @Whyandwhenandwho ? Of course.

Im troubled by the ‘British born doesn’t mean really British’ tone of your (and some other posters) comments. How many generations back would you like to deport? Or would you have other ways to deal with this? Ghettos perhaps, to keep them away from real British people? Because that’s where your rhetoric leads, as history shows.

No... you know thats not what I mean. Of course we can't do that! But we have an opportunity now to change things - to ensure future immigration has assimilation programmes and the like . So that we can prevent in the future similar issues from happening. Its all about learning from the current and preventing for the future in its simplest terms. Do we need to curb immigration ? Yes ! But we need to do even more... that's not the only solution

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cottonwoolie · 02/11/2025 13:59

It can be drug induced

Or just mindless violence, plenty of mass shootings in America because men are pissed off at the world.

xanthomelana · 02/11/2025 13:59

Piggywaspushed · 02/11/2025 13:02

Going back the original post about 'these things didn't happen back in the day', the poster asserted that schoolchildren weren't killing each other at school back then either.

Am I missing something? Has there been a sudden uptick in school killings in the UK? Or is this just plain old , copy and pasted off Facebook crap.

The information is there if you look.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-exclusive-data-reveals-150-knife-attacks-at-schools-in-england-and-wales

FactCheck: exclusive data reveals 150 knife attacks at schools in England and Wales

Police recorded 150 stabbings or other knife crimes causing injuries at schools across England and Wales last year, figures obtained exclusively by FactCheck show.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-exclusive-data-reveals-150-knife-attacks-at-schools-in-england-and-wales

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 14:00

cardibach · 02/11/2025 13:58

Stop. Speculating.
But yes, two people with paranoia who met in a MH clinic could wind each other up in this way, don't you think?

Like I said it’s not helpful to speculate as to the reasons for the attack, as per the police press conference, so I’ll be leaving it there.

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You posted it. I think it’s nonsense to post on these lines.

There’s posters spinning narrative around MH, including your paranoia one, because it’s the go to to minimise the crime.

Rather you. posted. it.

ninjahamster · 02/11/2025 14:01

Just because two men have been arrested, doesn’t mean two men committed the crime.

cottonwoolie · 02/11/2025 14:01

There’s posters spinning narrative around MH, including your paranoia one, because it’s the go to to minimise the crime.

The crime is horrific whatever the motive surely?

CorvusNoir · 02/11/2025 14:01

Disaffection, drugs, robbery gone wrong, kicks, mental health, someone 'dissing' them on the train - who knows. Could be anything.

Onmytod24 · 02/11/2025 14:03

Whyandwhenandwho · 02/11/2025 13:46

I'm here - and British born is cited but heritage is still immigrants - same as Axel R (at least one of them anyway). As one poster earlier up said its mire nuanced than saying someone is British born ! That literally means nothing. We will soon hear about their backgrounds, etc. And I'll be very happy if I'm wrong . However my post was wider than just this issue - further down I spoke about knife crime in general and regardless of immigration status the government don't tackle it strongly as they might be worried that it will be perceived as racist. The press conference went exactly as many of us have expected

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The train of illogical thoughts that you’ve expressed shows how far some British people have sank we used to be proud of our rationality we were philosophers and great thinkers now it seems that some people and you are one of them I’m talking about can be just sprayed with the invective of self-serving multi millionaire politicians. Fortunately, you’re in the minority and Farage will never win.

MrsSkylerWhite · 02/11/2025 14:03

Whyandwhenandwho · 02/11/2025 13:46

I'm here - and British born is cited but heritage is still immigrants - same as Axel R (at least one of them anyway). As one poster earlier up said its mire nuanced than saying someone is British born ! That literally means nothing. We will soon hear about their backgrounds, etc. And I'll be very happy if I'm wrong . However my post was wider than just this issue - further down I spoke about knife crime in general and regardless of immigration status the government don't tackle it strongly as they might be worried that it will be perceived as racist. The press conference went exactly as many of us have expected

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Please explain when a person becomes “British”, in your opinion, if not when they are born here? How many generations does it take, according to you?

cardibach · 02/11/2025 14:03

Whyandwhenandwho · 02/11/2025 13:59

No... you know thats not what I mean. Of course we can't do that! But we have an opportunity now to change things - to ensure future immigration has assimilation programmes and the like . So that we can prevent in the future similar issues from happening. Its all about learning from the current and preventing for the future in its simplest terms. Do we need to curb immigration ? Yes ! But we need to do even more... that's not the only solution

They were both born in Britain, at least one with Caribbean heritage, so there’s not the ‘assimilation’ issue you suggest.
Reform seems to want to cancel English lessons for immigrants/asylum seekers in their council areas, so they don’t agree with you.

Northquit · 02/11/2025 14:03

There was a stabbing in North Manchester really close to where I live. I went to the police community meeting (one of them anyway) where quite justifiably the community was angry that the killer had been repeatedly arrested for carrying knives, threatening others with knives and had only had some social service involvement.

They don't criminalise children for carrying knives. Even though they far too often (And I'd argue that one child killed by another is one too many) repeat offending behaviour until they actually kill someone.

There are supposed to be strong penalties for carrying knives. They need to start enforcing these at every opportunity until young people stop carrying knives.
I have no idea how lax they are with adults carrying knives but we need to start treating it seriously.

https://sentencingcouncil.org.uk/resources/common-offences/knives-and-offensive-weapons/

Threatening with a weapon: the mandatory minimum sentence for threatening offences is 6 months’ custody; the maximum sentence is four years’ custody.

Where we put them? Well Labour let 40000 people out of prison (The Ministry of Justice figures show 38,042 were freed under the scheme between September 2024 and June 2025)
so we have room for the knife carriers to be put inside.

We need to clamp down on the purchase of big knives too - the zombie blades and macho nonsense needs to stop.
Companies selling them need to be prosecuted if they don't stop. Fine them 10% of turnover for every offence.

Knives and offensive weapons

https://sentencingcouncil.org.uk/resources/common-offences/knives-and-offensive-weapons

HPFA · 02/11/2025 14:04

So when a white person commits a terrible crime other white people's lives go on as normal-when its a Black person other Black people get told there's something wrong with their community?

IFartAlot · 02/11/2025 14:04

Why does "mental health" always mean stabbing rampage?

StewkeyBlue · 02/11/2025 14:05

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But presumably everyone went through the metal detector, not just POC?

I want to be protected from all violent people - whether the white Derek Bird who massacred 12 people in Cumbria or Usman Khan on London Bridge.

IFartAlot · 02/11/2025 14:06

HPFA · 02/11/2025 14:04

So when a white person commits a terrible crime other white people's lives go on as normal-when its a Black person other Black people get told there's something wrong with their community?

I mean you'd have to look at the increased rates of crime and propensity for violence in certain groups?

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