What will Starmer do if Huntingdon...

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Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

It's not about immigration as a whole It's about uncontrolled immigration and the amount of migrants coming across the channel. I live in the south so boat crossings feature quite often on my local TV news programme. There was one report that showed a boat crammed full with young men. A woman was trying to get on the boat but they wouldn't let her and kept pushing her away. There was also a man with his two young children and wife trying to get on as well, not one of the men helped them and the children looked really distressed. I can't believe anyone is OK with these boat crossings. Having to suddenly find accommodation for sometimes as many as 800 men in one day is putting a huge financial burden on this country. We cannot afford it. We don't know who these men are, whether they have already been refused asylum elsewhere or whether they are criminals.

I don't think it's a spin, mental health care has been in decline for years, and is critically overstreched. Increased drug use in society is not helping the situaltion (many recrational drugs induce psychosis). It wouldn't he first or last stabbing married out buly someone with paranoia or hallucinations if thats the cause (although I think thats unlikely - it had to be planned)

As a recently retired teacher I wouldn’t argue that schools haven’t got more violent - it was one of the factors 8n my retirement. I’m not convinced about more knife attacks though, and that article hasn’t any comparative data. In a 35 year career the only knife incident I experienced (dealt with without injury) was in the early 1990s. A few years later a boy I taught was arrested outside school for carrying a knife - I don’t know if he ever brought it to school, but it was certainly never discovered on him there.

Folie a deux?

That's rare. Very.

What has that to do with this thread?
Available information tells us that these men are not migrants who came across the channel in a boat.

I’m not minimising anything.
I specifically said it wasn’t speculation about this attack.

I don’t know anything about this 125 you are referring to.You did claim only 20-30 civilians were killed by IRA action on the mainland. My point was the number must be higher than 20-30 given that 21 people died in the Birmingham pub bombings alone.

There’s no confirmation that both people arrested were involved. All eyewitnesses say one person had a knife.

Nearly every kid had a large scout like knife proudly worn on their belts in the 60's.........But here's the odd thing. Virtually no stabbings ?

I wonder what changes drastically in the make up of our country

I never said it was, my reply was to a pp who said that people hated immigration, but that's not true. It's uncontrolled immigration that is the problem.

Fair point.

So when a white person commits a terrible crime other white people's lives go on as normal-when it's a Black person other Black people get told there's something wrong with their community?

Is that true?

Soham led to the DBS system & wider child protection/safeguarding changes.

Dunblane led to stricter gun laws as did Hungerford.

Harold Shipman results in changes to parts of healthcare eg death certs

Just because someone comes from a different culture doesn’t predispose them to commit terror offences. You sound kind of racist.

Very well said.

But there are posters on this thread saying POC born in this country aren’t really British. Many do hate all immigration and will never accept the descendants of immigrants as belonging.

It doesn’t. For me it meant years of self harm and social isolation while the mental health services told me I was doing it for attention. This is while I was at school. I got no help.

when you’ve actually had experience of mental health “support” in the UK, it’s clear why this happens.

Where we put them? Well Labour let 40000 people out of prison (The Ministry of Justice figures show 38,042 were freed under the scheme between September 2024 and June 2025)

Is that not because they are full and there is a backlog of cases?

I think people want an easy outlet.

By any social definition, someone randomly stabbing someone has poor mental health.

But that isn't the same as someone having a mental illness that could be diagnosed and hopefully, treated.

Nor that someone with an illness that could be diagnosed and treated committed a crime BECAUSE of their mental illness.

They're distinct.

The majority of people in secure MH facilities in my experience of almost 30 years in psychiatry, were violent offenders who happened to have a mental illness so require care in a MH unit.

The number who committed a violent offence purely 'because' of their mental illness is small.

Which the public usually doesn't want to understand because it's much easier and reassuring to claim 'mental illness'

They never have an answer to that question.

Given what seems to be the current mood of the public - and I was genuinely alarmed at the right wing opinions being expressed on here last night - it will only take another serious Islamic attack, and I'm honestly not sure this govt will survive. 🙁

The other horrific thing that happened in the last week was the arrest of two people for the "racially motivated rape" of a Sikh lady. I can never remember seeing that phrase in the news before. If true, that is utterly appalling.

I don't remember racial tension ever being so high before. Starmer & Mahmood need to stop being so lily-livered and do something decisive to defuse the situation now. We live in worrying times. 😟

Absolutely. People want to distance themselves from horrible events. The vast majority of people with MH issues are no danger to anyone purely because of their MH issue.

Exactly, Farage even said British Citizens will be deported, that led to no drop in his popularity, probably boosted it.

Many in the UK are very racist, doubtless one reason why the Tory party is so low in the 'polls, despite Labours obvious problems, some people never accepted Sunak, let alone Badenoch.... look at the hate Lammy and Abbott get? or the insults thrown at Cleverly?

I agree with your second and third paragraphs (though I saw the rape reported when it happened - horrible) but there’s no mechanism for the government to ‘not survive’ that I can see. Quite rightly.

I haven't read the full thread so haven't seen those comments, but in my view if a person is born here and raised here they are British, regardless of where their parents were born.