Thread 19 Starmer - A Coalition of the Willing

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Well not exactly suggesting that. However it's clear Labour have not had the best start, and are maybe running scared of reform? Without US backing what realistically can we achieve?

I think Farage and Co. are may be destoying themselves with their sympathetic stance to Trump.and Putin.

My guess is it will be unpaused if Zelenskyy steps down.

Precisely.

I guess that depends on how this plays out.

Flipper, this is what happened last time Trump paused aid

New poster or just a new name🤔

New name is my guess.

I suppose some Reform voters probably are quite troubled by Farage's positioning and polling.

A regular reminder that the US and UK pledged support to Ukraine in exchange for them getting rid of their nuclear weapons. Reform voters are all about sovereignty.

Russian sovereignty

How do you see it playing out?

No idea. A negotiated deal thats pleases Trump and Putin?

That wouldn’t be a negotiated deal. It would be giving Putin exactly what he wants which is license to invade bits of Europe whenever he fancies. No European leader is going to sign up for that.

I'd change that to a deal that favours Trump and Putin. The latter won't go down so well with some of the less far right Reform supporters and Farage will have a tricky time juggling his rhetoric around it all.

Eta: amended as Blossomtoes is right, such a deal could not be called "negotiated". But I think Ukraine might be forced into it.

How will they stop it?

A deal that pleases Trump and Putin?

So fuck Ukraine basically

Can you even hear yourself siding with Russia?

When did I side with Russia?

It wouldn’t be a negotiated deal if they didn’t sign up, would it? 🙄

I was asked how I saw this playing out. My answer was what I think the most likely scenario is.
Ed sp

Ah, I see who you are now

'Ed sp'

A negotiated deal between Russia and the US. I dont think anyone else gets a say

What?

Oh is it because you cannot answer?

No negotiation would be necessary if the US and Russia stitched it up. Putin’s calling the shots, he says ‘Jump’ and Trump asks ‘How high?’.

Well perhaps negotiation is too strong a term. But I don't think it's Putin all the way