Ukraine Invasion: Part 44

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44th thread, all the usual thanks and appreciation

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Also claims that the Wagner no2 Utkin was on board in a two for one deal.

Tragic times.

What a wee shame

I wonder if it's one of Budanov's surprises

Well that’s a surprise!

As in, a new way of ‘falling out of a hotel window’ kind of surprise.

Is it definitely certain? He's a hell of a survivor; could it be faked?

btw yesterday there were reports of Wagner administrative staff within Russia stealing everything from the company that they could.

Yes, that’s what I thought as well… a man capable of being simultaneously in different places.

Do we assume this IS true? Not a get out clause for him?

I guess the state takeover of Wagner just happened.

Quite lucrative I believe the mercenary market. Just at a time the ruble has been having a bad week.

If it is true that Prigozhin and Uktin were both on the passenger list, all I can say is what an epic fail in terms of fuckwittery. Everyone knows you don't stick William and Charles on the same ruddy plane.

His name was on the passenger list. In terms of 'faking', it depends on if he got on the plane. And whether there is a matching corpse.

Currently at a theme park in Spain but PMK for later

OSINTDefender is controversial but they claim

OSINTdefender

Shortly after the Crash in the Tver Region, a 2nd Business Jet owned by Yevgeny Prigozhin that was heading along a similar Route from St. Petersburg landed in Moscow.

As you say, would Prigozhin and Uktin really both be on the same plane within Russia; yesterday it was reported that Prigozhin's ally Surovikin had been permanently removed from command (at the least).

Sorry to muddy the waters, but really until there's an independent autopsy, which won't happen, one wonders.

Also, apparently the FSB have taken over the investigation and are calling it a terrorist attack.

"Sorry to muddy the waters, but really until there's an independent autopsy, which won't happen, one wonders."

I think right now it's fair enough to be at least a bit cautious.. and "Passenger List" can mean many things...e.g. is what's being referred to a list of those definitely on board or those planned to be on-board...

Yes Flightradar tracks of plane 2 are being posted as it zig-zags.

What's fairly clear: a plane is seen coming down near Tver. Video from the ground shows it burning and one from near the cockpit shows a body in non-burnt area among other debris. Wagner channels briefly suggest he was on the plane.

Maybes: Brought down by a Russian missile, Utkin on board too, so Wagner leadership possibly double decapitated.

Plane 2? Who is on that.

I think this is a watch with interest developing story and may well have clarified while I typed this.

Well. I'm not famed for my good timing, but in this instance...

When Prig's tanks started rolling towards Moscow I just happened to be watching the Litvinenko documentary, with its comments about how personally Vlad takes betrayal and how remorselessly vindictive he is about destroying traitors.

And this evening, as I read this (potential) news, I just happen to be watching I, Claudius: "And you? Have you slept with my daughter?"

Vlad would get on like a house on fire with that friendly, jovial, family-oriented, psychopathic dictator Augustus.

Literally...

Yy to all the above about not believing it until good-quality confirmation.

But even if Prig survived this one, I doubt the bookies are offering good odds on him surviving the next.

'Yevgeny Prigozhin actually flew to Russia from Africa today, with the entire command staff of Wagner PMC on board

Reported by journalist Andrey Zakharov. “It will be a miracle if he is on another plane,” the journalist quotes his sources.'

This has hardly any responses as it was posted on official Wagner VK 3 minutes ago.

If you want to follow the current 'official' Wagner VK it is here. There's always a pinned post above the recent ones.

ЧВК Вагнер | Wagner (vk.com)

It is probably mirroring the Telegram feed but I have not been there yet.

I never know what to think. On the one hand, how fucking stupid to have them on one plane but on the other hand not famed for their great decision making.

Moves and counter moves….

This seems to be the Telegram that is being linked to a lot and is not the one I have bookmarked from the coup that wasn't (that link is dead). Feed a bit different to VK.

Note that Telegram has new at the bottom, while VK (a Facebook copy) has new at the top after anything pinned.

You don't need to subscribe to either, just say no / click on close boxes.

Пригожин ЧВК Вагнер – Telegram

Sputnik AT sputnik_not
BREAKING: Russian air defence forces finally hits a target near Moscow

ROFL

😂😂 love it!

Seriously though if he is dead it couldn’t have happened to a nicer bloke 😏

Being claimed that Russian officials have found eight bodies so far in the wreckage but they are two badly burned to identify without forensics.

Eight.

Best case scenario is that it was someone opposed to Putin and/or the war that brought it down. Putin would shit his pants and wouldn't get on a plane again.

Former BBC

Emily Matlis at matlis
We know that Preghozin was in the manifest list of ten passengers. We dont yet have confirmed he was one of the 8 bodies that Russia air accident investigators have found - and - we many never know - former UN ambassador Kurt Volker reminds us ..

So is that 8 out of a list of 10 nominally on board?

Should add I'm not laughing about the crew of the plane. Even if they were working for Prig.

But the Wagner top brass... live by the sword, die by the sword.