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The one where Big Dog gets poop scooped Thread 10

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InMySpareTime · 07/07/2022 13:25

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ancientgran · 11/07/2022 12:04

@Piggywaspushed I thought your post was very moving. I hope your sister is doing well and that your mum is OK as well, it must be a hard time for you all but hopefully the result will be worth it.

jgw1 · 11/07/2022 12:11

DowningStreetParty · 11/07/2022 09:58

Thanks DuncinToffee and I completely agree with your point!
JGW yes exactly right. It’s the latest form of whataboutery really. There have been some threads on it in FWR and I think most people who were chuffed with it at first have realised that they are being played.
But it’s a free country (for now!) so fair enough, if people want a Tory government. Tories gonna Tory though and the current crop seem specifically untrustworthy. That single issue vote seems a dead cert to be a wasted or misplaced one.

I just wish some people would be more honest and say I vote for Boris insert alternative righter than right Tory replacement here because I don't like foreigners and am amused by Boris' casual racism.

the80sweregreat · 11/07/2022 12:11

Ahh, Piggy , I hope your sister will be ok and it's good that her employer is being supportive too

Roussette · 11/07/2022 12:15

@Piggywaspushed

What a journey your sibling has been on, I hope it all works out really well for you all. Flowers

jgw1 · 11/07/2022 12:15

Piggywaspushed · 11/07/2022 10:04

I am going to say one thing on this issue and then no more.

My sister was called a boy by many people from a very young age (this nonsense some people on Twitter have that they can just 'spot' a woman is offensive to so many). had she grown up now her very obvious issues would have been addressed far earlier , instead very many harmful behaviours emerged.

She is currently transitioning, aged 50.

When this whole process is finished she (used for now by me) will be so much happier than she was in her tortured childhood. On a personal level, she will no longer be my sister and he will no longer be my mum's daughter. This is not easy at all for my mum and my sis is not doing this for shits and giggles. Her employer (police force) is entirely supportive of her as is her (female) partner.

I also have a disabled sister so see everything from many angles. Disability rights is ne of my passions.

I am hopeful that my sister can't - or doesn't- see some of the vitriol directed at trans people on Twitter - and , in all honesty- on MN on certain boards,where TW are called 'men in a dress' etc and spoken about in dehumanising ways.

I fid this all deeply harmful and really very nasty.

My sister is transitioning in the opposite direction, obviously, so MN seems less interested in this , perhaps but to be properly GC does cut both ways.

Above all , my (currently) sister is a human who deserves equality, dignity, kindness and respect.

Personally, when the transition is complete she will become what I (and she )always believe she was anyway which is a man. I do not have a problem with that definition.

I think sometimes the people behind these stories are not seen. It's a complex issues which is why I don't like politicians being backed into corners as some kind of humorous gotcha. It seems Mordaunt has to completely rewrite her beliefs yesterday to be more palatable to (some) women (don't tell me Tory staff aren't trawling MN because they definitely are and will ave told Penny there was a thread about her).

My vote then is most likely to go to the part who provides dignity and equality to all people, and most specifically, minority groups. This will never be the Conservative party. I don't think the bit above about age demographics is accurate btw based on the few surveys on social, attitudes which have been done about gender issues. These surveys do show a different societal attitude form what can be seen to be accepted as 'what all right minded women ought to think'

I never visit FWR and think of this thread as a safe space so would like the argument to move on - but not my choice. Carry on if necessary.

Thank you for sharing.

I know and have played a small part in supporting a few people who are in the process of working out their identity. It is an utter bafflement to me that anyone would be anything but supportive to them.

But the main policy of the Conservative party is and continues to be to create divisions and discord in society by othering people. And then Andrea Jenkyns complains when people have a bit of gentle batter at her expense.

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2022 12:15

ancientgran · 11/07/2022 12:03

I haven't seen it so thanks for that. I read Jo Cox was in it, has she been left in? I can't imagine she'd want to be involved in the Conservative leadership election but I suppose her husband would be the best person to judge.

She was still in the latest version I saw.

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2022 12:16

Liz Truss has been warned

I’m told directors at the foreign office are now looking at the Truss launch video, because some of the footage was filmed by civil servants not spads and they may not be allowed to use it
Tim Shipman

Piggywaspushed · 11/07/2022 12:18

Am assuming Jo Cox taken out too. Can't imagine her family being pleased.

Is there any video left???!

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2022 12:21

That will be a 'yes' then

Boris Johnson's spokesman says he is "not aware" of the Prime Minister holding discussions about getting his dad Stanley a knighthood.
twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1546446166686154753?t=NBLiFgWwPWxPzUQC43_-1w&s=19

jgw1 · 11/07/2022 12:22

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2022 12:21

That will be a 'yes' then

Boris Johnson's spokesman says he is "not aware" of the Prime Minister holding discussions about getting his dad Stanley a knighthood.
twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1546446166686154753?t=NBLiFgWwPWxPzUQC43_-1w&s=19

I think he deserves a knighthood. He has after all had to be Boris' father for all these years.

Cornettoninja · 11/07/2022 12:33

Just heard a clip of BJ speaking to sky news. Nothing of substance (it was about not backing any candidate blah blah) but his change in language was noticeable. No longer, I’ve been given a mandate but now we’ve been given a mandate.

the80sweregreat · 11/07/2022 12:36

I'm
Sure that BJ will be behind the scenes somewhere pulling the strings to get who he wants. He'll get a final say as well in the voting even if he isn't.
Which is More than the electorate will and we've got to put up with whoever for years yet.

Roussette · 11/07/2022 12:44

He better not be giving his wife-beating anti mask wearing Father a knighthood.

Notonthestairs · 11/07/2022 13:00

I don't think Johnson would get away with offering his Dad an honour. But then again I suppose he wangled his brother one.

Tiny suggestion on Twitter that JRM may stand.

I guess they are all jockeying for jobs in September.

Notonthestairs · 11/07/2022 13:02

And the 1922 Executive Committee elections tonight.

the80sweregreat · 11/07/2022 13:10

I keep reading that Penny Mordaunt used to be a magicians assistant , maybe this is how she easily made half her leadership bid film disappear ..
(If only she would as well and take the others with her especially JRM and Priti Patel)

ancientgran · 11/07/2022 13:25

Thanks @DuncinToffee I hoped she'd removed it. Ah well.

itsgettingweird · 11/07/2022 13:27

ClaudineClare · 11/07/2022 11:13

Also sending good wishes to you, your sister and all your family piggy. I want equality for everyone, trans people included. It always seems to me that there is a common enemy in the trans debate - violent predatory men. They are the people we should be fighting against.

This.

Equality for all. And without a need to explain.

I also have a disabled ds so I'm very much a fighter for equal rights and protecting minority groups.

Best of luck to your family piggy.

itsgettingweird · 11/07/2022 14:11

Johnson on sky

"I'm not going to ruin anyones chances by giving them my support"

I'm sure he didnt mean it how it sounded Grin

the80sweregreat · 11/07/2022 14:12

His ego means he wouldn't support anyone even if he was allowed too!

DowningStreetParty · 11/07/2022 14:46

Wishing your sibling and family all the very best Piggy.

I have an autistic family member on a similar journey to your sibling but who is a lot younger. While personally I have reached different conclusions on the contributing factors behind it, that doesn’t take away any of my feelings of care and support for them. Nor for anyone else going through all of the difficulties and complexities of a personal struggle with their feelings around gender identity. Flowers

Notonthestairs · 11/07/2022 16:23

We can all relax, we are in safe hands...

* "Starting now*
The European Reasearch Group of Tory MPs is meeting each Conservative candidate individually one-on-one to work out who to support.
Each will be grilled by Mark Francois, Sir Bill Cash and Sir Iain Duncan Smith on getting the most out of Brexit."

twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1546498641204023297?s=21&t=92jpCfYtRd7JkPAqVxPb4Q

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2022 17:40

The Week in Tory

I wish it was an exaggeration, but it is only 3 days since my last #TheWeekInTory, his is the 4th in a week, and... here we go again.

Like the shoe-stretchers my mum got me for Christmas, they're the stinky gift that keeps on giving.

Let's dive in...

twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1546522614990004224?t=6PtMiPEjeBqQkNyMJ3RTCg&s=19

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2022 17:41

This post summarises all candidates pretty well

77. But to prove they're all completely different to the widely-hated Boris Johnson, every single candidate backs Johnson-era austerity for the poor, tax cuts for the rich, illegally shipping people off to Rwanda, removing your human rights, and trashing international law

DowningStreetParty · 11/07/2022 17:53

Plus ca change..

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