Is my neighbour subletting, or has she done a genuine house swap?

[Lilyvioletrose]

I live in a LA area, have done for some years. Most of the houses are bought, as the area is nice, peaceful, and the houses and gardens are a great size.
I’ve never seen any trouble on my quiet cul de sac, until new tenants moved in to one of the houses opposite us about six months ago.
Two men, a woman, two teenagers and a couple of kids live there now.

I’m the type to ‘live and let live’ but these tenants are often rowdy, there’s always someone making a racket (which I can put up with) with people coming and going and revving their cars up late at night. But when the adults are literally fighting with each other and arguing in the street at 3 am (as they were the other night) and not giving a shit that they’re waking the neighbours up, I just wish they’d leave.

Before the neighbours moved in there was a woman living there with her three kids. However, she moved out of the house about five years ago to live with her new partner, taking her youngest dd with her. Her eldest dc’s (her two dd’s aged about 18 and 21 at the time their mum moved out) continued to live on in the house. Both eventually had boyfriends moving in with them.

Fast forward to around six months ago, the young women suddenly moved out with their boyfriends, and within hours a new family were unloading a removal van and had moved into the house.
(As the house is still a council house, I was firstly surprised that the original tenant had been able to move out and allow her grown up daughters to live there, but presumed that she felt her relationship may not work out and would need to move back in with her youngest dc)

I was also surprised that when the eldest dd’s moved out more recently, new tenants were moved in immediately. I’d always assumed that the council would go in and clear a property before the next tenants were given a key to the house. But this house still has the original tenants curtains up at the windows, and I believe the tenants are either friends or family of the previous ones as I saw the dd’s talking with them on the day they left.

My point is, how would I know whether the previous tenant has sub letted the property or simply swapped houses with the new tenants?

If she has sub letted (which I believe is most likely) I would report it. Although I don’t want to cause problems for people who’ve done a genuine swap, even if they are a pain in the arse to live near!
For the record, the house is a three bedroom.

Are you looking for validation to report them?

Sounds a bit overcrowded to be legit... Report imo as it is affecting you.

She probably didn't tell them she'd moved out so the older dc could continue living there

Sounds like they are now subletting, councils don't move new tenants in that quickly

My point is, how would I know whether the previous tenant has sub letted the property or simply swapped houses with the new tenants?

why do you need to know? Please stop curtain twitching on your neighbours. There is many other things you could spend your time doing.

I’d report and let the counsel look into it. If it’s a genuine house swap presumably the council will be able to check very quickly and you won’t have caused any harm at all.

There's no way of knowing if they've done a house swap without speaking to the council

It's unlikely the council know they are all living there even if it is a house swap.

Surely if they are causing a major nuisance you report them and then its up to the council whether they are there legally or not?

You are ALLOWED to sublet though?

Keep your beak out op

‘Why do you need to know?’

maybe because I don’t enjoy being woken up by cars revving or people fighting, would you like to live near people that don’t give you peace?

whats more, if the previous tenant IS subletting, then she’s committing fraud by obviously taking a back hander from the new tenants. Do you think that’s acceptable?
to not work and claim housing benefit ( I know this for a fact ) and then move out and cop from renting a council house out?

No. She is not 'obviously' committing fraud.... beak out

That’s what I would’ve thought, there’s too many people living in a three bed

Ahhh so these people are your friends and family as you know so much about their personal business??

Ok why isn’t she?
I said IF she is sub letting then surely she’s committing fraud.

Report to counci! People are crying out for houses! Its not hers to decide who she lets live there!

That depends on your councils policy - you cannot sublet a council owned property where I live.

OP report the fighting etc to the council & let them deal with it. If they are illegally sub-letting they'll be moved out.

Are you the previous tenant?

Why would I be the previous tenant?

I know someone who swapped and they both had to move in and out the same day . One of the conditions of swapping was you took it as it was and the council are not responsible for changes the previous tenants made ( had to sign a disclaimer) . So it is definitely possible .
however I would report them and If it’s legit nothing will happen because the council will know.

I’m clearly being sarcastic …… it’s because you seem overly invested in telling me to keep ‘my beak out’
And for what it’s worth, I don’t particular like people who screw the system, do you?

Since when! I'm not allowed to sublet my council house

I'd ensure they WERE screwing the system first..... wouldn't you?

Ive helped a friend move into their house swap, and both households had to move the same day - which tallies up with what another friend of mine told me about her house swap. So it sounds like a house swap.

House exchanges do work like that and as you need to arrange it amongst yourselves you often become quite friendly with them

Exactly, it pisses me off that there are people waiting on the housing list for years, and then others jump the queue.
Although, there may be a legitimate house swap going on.