Is my neighbour subletting, or has she done a genuine house swap?

[Lilyvioletrose]

I live in a LA area, have done for some years. Most of the houses are bought, as the area is nice, peaceful, and the houses and gardens are a great size.
I’ve never seen any trouble on my quiet cul de sac, until new tenants moved in to one of the houses opposite us about six months ago.
Two men, a woman, two teenagers and a couple of kids live there now.

I’m the type to ‘live and let live’ but these tenants are often rowdy, there’s always someone making a racket (which I can put up with) with people coming and going and revving their cars up late at night. But when the adults are literally fighting with each other and arguing in the street at 3 am (as they were the other night) and not giving a shit that they’re waking the neighbours up, I just wish they’d leave.

Before the neighbours moved in there was a woman living there with her three kids. However, she moved out of the house about five years ago to live with her new partner, taking her youngest dd with her. Her eldest dc’s (her two dd’s aged about 18 and 21 at the time their mum moved out) continued to live on in the house. Both eventually had boyfriends moving in with them.

Fast forward to around six months ago, the young women suddenly moved out with their boyfriends, and within hours a new family were unloading a removal van and had moved into the house.
(As the house is still a council house, I was firstly surprised that the original tenant had been able to move out and allow her grown up daughters to live there, but presumed that she felt her relationship may not work out and would need to move back in with her youngest dc)

I was also surprised that when the eldest dd’s moved out more recently, new tenants were moved in immediately. I’d always assumed that the council would go in and clear a property before the next tenants were given a key to the house. But this house still has the original tenants curtains up at the windows, and I believe the tenants are either friends or family of the previous ones as I saw the dd’s talking with them on the day they left.

My point is, how would I know whether the previous tenant has sub letted the property or simply swapped houses with the new tenants?

If she has sub letted (which I believe is most likely) I would report it. Although I don’t want to cause problems for people who’ve done a genuine swap, even if they are a pain in the arse to live near!
For the record, the house is a three bedroom.

No, if they aren't then there's no harm done

How can she ensure they are screwing the system without reporting it and letting them look into it?

You owe them nothing. Just report it and let the council look into it. If its legit then nothing will happen to them.

No, I'd report and expect the council to find out.
If they had been good neighbours OP wouldn't be thinking about reporting them, so I have little sympathy either way.

And if you READ my original post slowly and properly, you may figure out that’s why I’ve written here first. Because I’d rather know for sure instead of reporting them.

I won’t hold my breath though , so just go away ffs.

You would you (now) housing benefit is being claimed?

Either accept your a nosey nebby neighbour and report or keep your nose out. Im not sure for reason of the thread... noone on mumsnet knows whether your neighbours are subletting or not but if they are causing noise concerns late at night you can report that regardless

Ahhh bless you op, you don't get to tell people to 'go away' on a public forum, that's not how it works

Because I do, no need to explain how I know.

When my aunt moved into our council house with us, my parents were told in no uncertain terms she had to leave or we all did! This was a few years ago but, I understand, this type of reaction hasn't changed!

Phone the council, if it's a swap then the new tenants usually have to behave for at least the first 6 months to get a longer tenancy.

If ti is sublet - well it depends what is on her tenancy.

Also it's not uncommon to allow adult children to take over a tenancy, if councils didn't do it they would have to evict and find new accommodation, easier and cheaper to pass the tenancy on.

One near me was in the news when a family vacated, the house had been lived in by the same family for 100 years.

How is posting on here going to tell you?!

What about just telling them to shut the fuck up when they are brawling in the street?

If it’s a genuine house swap then they didn’t declare all of the people moving in as it would have been rejected for overcrowding reasons. Just report your concerns to the council and let them do their job of investigating it.

I’m not going to bother wasting my time responding to the ‘nosey neighbour, keep your beak out’ comments, as I’d say these posters clearly see no problem with people tucking over the system.

*fucking over the system!

Wow bit rude 😱

I’d report it OP, these sound like neighbours from hell and if she is subletting then definitely a good idea to get rid of them. Good luck!

What and face possible repercussions? I’m not that daft.

Thank you!

I did wonder how a genuine swap could consist of more people than a three bed could provide for.

I'd say that by being inconsiderate neighbours they have made it your business, so 'beak in'.

Report. If it's a legitimate house swap, fine. If not, then the council can deal with it.

I think the 'beak out' culture is dreadful. Awful things can be happening and nobody is prepared to intervene or get involved, because it isn't their problem.

Wow this thread. 😱

op, there is no point attacking posters like this, no one can tell you the rental and benefits situation of your neighbours. What people can tell you is if there is a persistent anti social noise or behaviour issue you should report to th council or environmental health to investigate. The private rental situation and benefit claims of your neighbours are not something anyone can inform you of.

I read a comment recently about if Mumsnet ruled the world, it’d be GDR on steroids. Report, Op!!!! Report, claro!!!

You can’t report you suspect subletting but you can report the antisocial behaviour. Council tenancies have rules surrounding this.

So it’s ok for certain posters to be rude to me is it? 🙄