Is my neighbour subletting, or has she done a genuine house swap?

[Lilyvioletrose]

I live in a LA area, have done for some years. Most of the houses are bought, as the area is nice, peaceful, and the houses and gardens are a great size.
I’ve never seen any trouble on my quiet cul de sac, until new tenants moved in to one of the houses opposite us about six months ago.
Two men, a woman, two teenagers and a couple of kids live there now.

I’m the type to ‘live and let live’ but these tenants are often rowdy, there’s always someone making a racket (which I can put up with) with people coming and going and revving their cars up late at night. But when the adults are literally fighting with each other and arguing in the street at 3 am (as they were the other night) and not giving a shit that they’re waking the neighbours up, I just wish they’d leave.

Before the neighbours moved in there was a woman living there with her three kids. However, she moved out of the house about five years ago to live with her new partner, taking her youngest dd with her. Her eldest dc’s (her two dd’s aged about 18 and 21 at the time their mum moved out) continued to live on in the house. Both eventually had boyfriends moving in with them.

Fast forward to around six months ago, the young women suddenly moved out with their boyfriends, and within hours a new family were unloading a removal van and had moved into the house.
(As the house is still a council house, I was firstly surprised that the original tenant had been able to move out and allow her grown up daughters to live there, but presumed that she felt her relationship may not work out and would need to move back in with her youngest dc)

I was also surprised that when the eldest dd’s moved out more recently, new tenants were moved in immediately. I’d always assumed that the council would go in and clear a property before the next tenants were given a key to the house. But this house still has the original tenants curtains up at the windows, and I believe the tenants are either friends or family of the previous ones as I saw the dd’s talking with them on the day they left.

My point is, how would I know whether the previous tenant has sub letted the property or simply swapped houses with the new tenants?

If she has sub letted (which I believe is most likely) I would report it. Although I don’t want to cause problems for people who’ve done a genuine swap, even if they are a pain in the arse to live near!
For the record, the house is a three bedroom.

The council won't be sharing any findings with the op..

Also, you can sublet with permission. And house swaps can be 3 way...it's not always as straightforward as you would assume

It does , I walked round a street with houses around a million pounds. Topless men working on Bentley's in bits dumped in the front garden , half dressed (in Boden) small children , faces smeared with avocado and hummus.

Agreed, people want to live their lives without being reported. If that means fighting in the street at 3am that's how they want to live.

And it’s ok that the rest of the street get to be disturbed at 3 am and spend an entertaining few hours listening to brawls outside their windows? If people want to live their lives without being reported then don’t fight and scream on the streets in the wee small hours. It’s not all about how people want to live if that wrecks the lives of those around them. This is not about a baby waking and crying in the adjoining house which is unavoidable, or having to ask your neighbour if they could turn down their music after midnight. This is shitty, entitled, selfish behaviour that needs to stop.

Not if it means the property is overcrowded, as it sounds this one is.

If it's all legit, then fine. OP reporting won't be an issue.

I’m sure the local LA’s are just as used to meddling neighbours with nothing else to do than investigate peoples families, lives and benefits as much as they’re used to the odd brawl being reported.

Honestly feel second hand embarrassment for the OP stating she knows what benefits the tenant got.

Not on a council house

On the other hand 1 local authority got 800 unlived in houses back during lockdown when it was very apparent they were empty/ on Airbnb

800 properties back for those who genuinely need them

Exactly, it’s the nuisance that’s affecting us, and if they are there legitimately then I’d likely put up and shut up most of the time ….. but, the arguments are getting worse, the every other day noises spilling into the street and then the actual brawling has pissed me off. And if it turns out they’re not supposed to be there anyway, it makes it worse in a way!

@TomatoorChips yes you can....but there's conditions to be met

And you need to live in it, have permission first as well as not let it become overcrowded. Maybe relaxed the last bit for taking refugees, not sure.

But you absolutely CAN sublet a council home

www.newham.gov.uk/housing-homes-homelessness/lodgers-sub-letting

And I could ask you too to mind YOUR own business by not asking me such a silly question.
But I will answer, I know about their comings and going’s because they bloody make it everyone’s business!

Report them to the Council for noise and nuisance. Let them sort out whether there's anything hinky going on.

Thank you!

LilyVioletRose I dont think you are being unreasonable at all! Firstly they are becoming a public nuisance fighting in the street at night .Secondly they may be there illegally! So defo report .Im sure most people telling you not to wouldnt like it in their area!

Another one who clearly can’t grasp exactly WHY I’m pissed off about these neighbours.

Are you kidding me? If people want to live their lives without being reported then they shouldn’t be a pain in the arse to everyone else! …. Whatever ridiculous comment will come best I wonder

It's not a silly question though is it. Why don't you want to answer to why you know so much ? Why don't you want to answer to how you (know) they are claiming benefits then a back hander in rent payment.

Every time someone asks you simlar questions you throw a mini tantrum at them. It's a thread People ask questions

Blimey where tf do they get people like you from? Seriously 🙄

The PREVIOUS tenant was claiming housing benefit because she TOLD me so a number of years ago. Hopefully now you’ll slink away …..

People don't claim forever.

Ffs
Of course people make noise, loud teens, motorbikes etc etc .… BUT, it’s not on to make a fucking racket in the middle of the night on SEVERAL occasions!
Would you like to live near inconsiderate fuckers?

Actually. Just go away please .. You’re obviously here just for the goading.

I’ve already said it’s the PREVIOUS tenant who was claiming housing benefits. I know people ask questions, but stupid and deliberately goady questions are annoying.

Could be a house swap which means previous tenants would move out the same day the new tenants move in. Either that or a sub let. And for the person saying you are allowed to sub let a council home.. you absolutely are not allowed to!

i agree, I bet they wouldn’t like it in their area!

That’s what I thought, you’re not supposed to sub let a council house.

Yes I was kidding , though I can see it's not clear as some of the bonkers people are being serious.