Ukraine Invasion: Part 24

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Welcome one and all and thanks again to everyone contributing

Bidens definitely on it! I was worried initially they were going to let Ukraine fall, but it's really ramping up now. Boris and Ben Wallace also doing a great job (for Ukraine anyway).

Lots of Twitter talk from Ukrainians and Eastern Europeans saying how great we are, along with the US. Along with Brits supporting them back. Times like this, I am proud to be British

Times like this, I am proud to be British

100%. Naturalised British even, in my case.

@TiddyTidTwo · 10/05/2022 22:32
Scrolling are these attacks coming from the Black Sea? If so, why the fuck is Russia controlling the Black Sea? I don't get it

I hope someone can confirm it as I can’t remember where I read it right now, but yes the ships and submarine (?s) in the Black Sea shoot missiles targeted to the Azovstal steel plant and Odesa. They have also been bombing from planes I believe.

However little true progress the Russian soldiers are making in the east, it seems they can keep going indefinitely wiping out the coast bit by bit. Then they can eat into the middle later I should think.

Blue I know the UK is a mess but when it comes to the crunch, we've come good. I know there's issues at home but this IS more important. It's our future at stake and we've stood up and been probably ukraines best ally, after all we've gone through ourselves. It's the bigger picture.

We ARE a massive influence in Europe, despite leaving the EU. We are not a little island that depends on the EU. Lots of tweets from French and Germans saying they want the UK back. Course they do! It's times like this when the cream rises to the top.

Scrolling so frustrating! Russian boots on the ground can't do it. Morale, equipment etc is dire.

I know Turkey has shut off the Black Sea to everyone now but them bombing from ships....argh! If they didn't have that, surely it'd be over.

I'm glad the US is providing intelligence to help take out those in the Black Sea I just wish it could happen faster!

Steasy now.

I did see comments about how this crisis will re draw lines of influence with Eastern European countries being more significant going forward.

I do think its shown up France and Germany.

However if we are in for a long war, this is still early days...

Yes Red 😂** i do think this war has absolutely exposed those countries and is undermining the EU. there's talk on Twitter (ok not governments, just people) of a new union of Eastern Europe, like minded countries and the UK. France and Germany are a complete let down are are not showing me they can be trusted.

If France, Germany etc don't pull their fingers out of their arse then the EU is in trouble.

Macrons idea of the big adult EU countries ie France and Germany and let's not kid ourselves that is who the EU Is, then the likes of the UK and Ukraine at the kids table with a two tier system is a bloody insult. What's wrong with him? Is he Le Pen lite?

Yes I I did vote leave and this is why.

I suppose one slightly positive way of looking at it is that every Russian missile used is one less missile that they have to use. This is especially important with the Smart missiles.

Whereas Ukraine, which might not have a navy worth speaking of now (at least in terms of ships: it still has navy personnel who are apparently fighting alongside the "land" army), is getting its supplies replenished by the West

Not much consolation to those under those Russian missions though

Re: missiles where are they coming from

This was on the BBC news site yesterday.

On Monday morning authorities four sea-launched Onyx cruise missiles were fired towards Odesa.

The earlier attacks came as European Council President Charles Michel visited Odesa.

On Sunday, ten cruise missiles were fired at the Odesa area. Russia has used submarines, surface ships and aircraft to launch missiles at Odesa in recent days.*

Just read the Guardian's report of a US intelligence chief warning Putin could escalate things if he feels he's being defeated in Ukraine. Describes it as a "grim forecast" and I stupidly read it before bed 🙄

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/10/putin-nuclear-weapons-us-intelligence-avril-haines

But this isn’t new knowledge, is it? I always try to place this in context.

Baroque that's encouraging appeasement through fear. We must not do that.

That talk was right at the start and what's happened? Nothing. He won't do it. In fact, many innocent Ukrainians have died and cities reduced to rubble because...appeasement.

It has to stop

A huge amount of Ukrainian grain stolen by the Russians is in ships in the Mediterranean going to where the Russians choose.

odessa-journal.com/grain-stolen-from-ukraine-is-already-in-the-mediterranean/

there's talk on Twitter (ok not governments, just people)

Just bear in mind that talk on Twitter often isn't people, and is governments...

That's exactly what I'd expect, and will be matched by the information war.

1. Russia invades Ukraine and causes an international food crisis.
2. Russian propaganda tells populations of target countries that NATO, the US, EU, etc, have caused the food crisis.
3. Russia rocks up with stolen Ukrainian grain to play the hero "saving" target countries from food crisis.

This technique works again and again.

Trump did it a lot and I saw it described when as T throws a puppy in a barrel of water. T pulls puppy out of barrel. T says, "Look at me, I saved a puppy from drowning."

(OFGS this new shitty MN interface. WTF was wrong with WYSIWYG? )

Grim indeed. Worth a read though. Thank you.

Wait, what is this I've just woken up to?

“WE, the OFFICERS of RUSSIA, demand that the President of the Russian Federation, renounce his CRIMINAL policy of WAR… and RESIGN...”—signed Ivashov, Colonel-General"

https://twitter.com/bryanee_parker/status/1524205659327057921?s=21&t=fveqnLofDsMJy-XeUVK-iw

Ok, it's a pre-invasion piece but where is this guy now I wonder?

What it does show is that there is some internal opposition to Putin, and therein lies hope. But surely he wasn't allowed to get away with this and has been visiting the shaman since?

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/11/7345406/
Russia states it has deported more than 1,100 children from Ukraine over the past 24 hours

New twitter follow for you. Pravda Ukraine launched a new English language service a couple of days ago.

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ISW Key Takeaways

The Ukrainian counteroffensive in northern Kharkiv took further ground and have possibly closed to within 10km of the Russian border.

Belarusian authorities are escalating rhetoric accusing NATO and the US of threatening Belarusian borders, but Belarus remains unlikely to join the war.

Russian operations around Izyum remain stalled.

DNR and Russian forces are advancing efforts to consolidate their control of the ruins of Mariupol, including reportedly attempting to reopen steel plants to produce military equipment.

Russian forces in eastern Ukraine continued attempts to encircle the Severodonetsk area and reportedly reached the Donetsk-Luhansk administrative border from Popasna.

Russian and Ukrainian forces did not conduct any significant attacks on the southern axis.

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From UkraineNOW

Ukraine NOW [English], [11/05/2022 07:22]
❕Operational information from the General Staff of the Armed Forces: update on the Russian invasion at 06:00 on May 11, 2022.

▪️In the Donetsk direction, the group of occupying forces is concentrating its main efforts on continuing the offensive in order to fully control the city of Rubizhne, and capture the settlements of Liman and Severodonetsk.

▪️Does not stop the assaults o on the Lyman, Severodonetsk, Bakhmut, Avdiyev, and Kurakhiv areas with the support of artillery and rocket artillery units.

▪️In the city of Mariupol, the Russian enemy is blocking our units at the Azovstal plant. With the support of artillery and tank fire, it conducts assault operations. Deals rocket and bomb strikes.

▪️In the Kryvyi Rih direction, artillery units of our troops were fired upon.

▪️During the previous day, air defense units of the Air Force and the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine hit four UAVs of the Orlan-10 type. In addition, one of the brigades of the air assault troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed one Russian Mi-24 helicopter.

▪️On the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, the defenders of Ukraine repelled twelve enemy attacks, destroyed 12 tanks, four artillery systems, nineteen units of combat armored vehicles, seven vehicles, and two units of enemy special engineering equipment

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02:31 AM Kyiv Independent
Russia forcibly deports over 8,787 Ukrainians in single day.

Russian authorities reported that nearly 9,000 Ukrainians, including 1,106 children, were deported to Russia from Ukraine, specifically the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, over the last 24 hours. Since the start of Russia’s all-out war 1,208,225 people have reportedly been forcibly moved to Russia, including 210,224 children.

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As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02 to 11.05 are approximately:

personnel - about 26,350 (+350) people were liquidated,

tanks - 1187 (+17) units,

armored combat vehicles - 2856 (+48) units,

artillery systems - 528 (+9) units,

MLRS 185 (+0) units,

air defense means - 87 (+0) units,

aircraft - 199 (+0) units,

helicopters - 160 (+2) units,

UAV operational and tactical level - 390 (+10),

cruise missiles - 94 (+0),

ships / boats - 12 (+0) units,

of motor vehicles and tank trucks - 1997 (+17) units,

special equipment - 41 (+0). Джерело: censor.net/ua/n3340533

Im giving up on the crossings out. Whether there are dashes before n after or not, some things just come out crossed out. Get yer act together Mumsnet.

I hope someone can confirm it as I can’t remember where I read it right now, but yes the ships and submarine (?s) in the Black Sea shoot missiles targeted to the Azovstal steel plant and Odesa. They have also been bombing from planes I believe.

It's been widely reported that Russian surface vessels and submarines have been using Surface to surface missiles such as 3M-54 Kaliber to hit targets on the mainland.

I don't think the Russians have been much if any traditional bombing going on (according to open sources the Ukraine Air Defence system has been holding up pretty well) however big Russian bombers such as the Tu-22 can launch long range cruise missiles without going anywhere near Ukrainian controlled airspace.

On a separate point, with regard to comments upthread given France currently holds presidency of the EU I would have expected Mr Macron to have been on the phone to Putin occasionally...he however has not been been reported as having done so recently...As for relative levels of aid... I suspect for obvious reasons the UK MSM won't really have given much priority to reporting in full the sort assistance France is providing, one such example being the Caesar long range artillery system.

No crossings out showing for me (in app) on your latest post Ijsbear.