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Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #63

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nauticant · 24/09/2026 13:07

TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 60: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5461133-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-60 16 December 2025 to 8 January 2026

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

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chilling19 · 25/09/2026 14:25

Get posie’s adult human female badges in that shop now.

PersonIrresponsible · 25/09/2026 14:25

There's a moment when pictures speak louder than words

And if a nurse wants to buy an GC RCN badge
...where can she find that?

Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #63
Appalonia · 25/09/2026 14:25

The million dollar question!

nauticant · 25/09/2026 14:26

It is astonishing that NP is claiming that if only gender critical people had asked the RCN they would have organised celebrations of gender critical beliefs and produced supporting merchandise.

I wonder if he actually believes this?

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BettyBooper · 25/09/2026 14:26

NC there is a progress pride badge but no GC badge. Are you saying that if there was a GC badge for nurses you would have it in you shop
NP yes
NC it's striking that the only belief expressed here is gender ideology. No merch celebrating GC nurses. Progress pride lanyard no GC lanyard No other beliefs? No athiest, Christian? vegan? Curious isn't it?

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 14:26

They are going to get so much gender critical 'merch' sent to them soon to sell in their shop I imagine.

Appalonia · 25/09/2026 14:26

chilling19 · 25/09/2026 14:25

Get posie’s adult human female badges in that shop now.

Yes!

ILikeDungs · 25/09/2026 14:26

This is amazing. That imagined pride badge that includes GC colours would implode, surely

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 14:27

PersonIrresponsible · 25/09/2026 14:25

There's a moment when pictures speak louder than words

And if a nurse wants to buy an GC RCN badge
...where can she find that?

Wow!

Appalonia · 25/09/2026 14:27

I got a phone case made off Etsy with the words,vAult Human Female on it.

And a TERF temporary tattoo!

Justabaker · 25/09/2026 14:28

NC - And if someone designed a nice gender critical badge you would sell it in your shop...

NP - of course.

Sure you would. And pigs might fly.

NC on fine form today. Calmer, less ideological. Jane brought out the worst in her but then Judge Kemp also.....

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 14:28

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 14:27

Wow!

Although I noticed its reduced!!

BettyBooper · 25/09/2026 14:28

NP yes
NC any explanation of this?
NP no I don't work in area where we decide on this

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 14:28

nauticant · 25/09/2026 14:26

It is astonishing that NP is claiming that if only gender critical people had asked the RCN they would have organised celebrations of gender critical beliefs and produced supporting merchandise.

I wonder if he actually believes this?

He definitely does NOT!

MarieDeGournay · 25/09/2026 14:29

Szygy · 25/09/2026 14:23

PS whether the train is eunuch-gender, I cannot say 🤔

There's a steam-locomotive-era joke about having a tender behind, but I'm not going to make it😏

[A steam engine tender is a rail vehicle attached to a steam locomotive that carries its fuel and water, extending the locomotive’s operational range.]

murasaki · 25/09/2026 14:29

This is just brilliant, thanks again to the copy and pasters.

PersonIrresponsible · 25/09/2026 14:30

I'd like one of these please, but in the vegan Christian design

Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #63
Kirschcherries · 25/09/2026 14:30

Szygy · 25/09/2026 14:23

PS whether the train is eunuch-gender, I cannot say 🤔

Sorry, I can’t resist this. It’s more likely to be an Intersex Train 😂
https://www.southwesternrailway.com/other/news-and-media/news/2023/march/swr-launches-uks-first-intersex-inclusive-pride-train

SWR launches UKs first Intersex Inclusive Pride train

https://www.southwesternrailway.com/other/news-and-media/news/2023/march/swr-launches-uks-first-intersex-inclusive-pride-train

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 14:31

Am I imagining it or does he sound a bit less confident than this morning?

Szygy · 25/09/2026 14:33

MarieDeGournay · 25/09/2026 14:29

There's a steam-locomotive-era joke about having a tender behind, but I'm not going to make it😏

[A steam engine tender is a rail vehicle attached to a steam locomotive that carries its fuel and water, extending the locomotive’s operational range.]

Ay thang yew <tish boom>

ETA: @Kirschcherries WTAF

Veilsofmorning · 25/09/2026 14:33

Kirschcherries · 25/09/2026 14:30

Be nice if they would launch some clean, keep to the timetable trains😁
(applies to all train companies)

Kirschcherries · 25/09/2026 14:33

NP is realising in real time that he really hadn’t thought about how one sided the RCNs support has been.

MarieDeGournay · 25/09/2026 14:33

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 14:31

Am I imagining it or does he sound a bit less confident than this morning?

I'm imagining his 'Yes' answers being delivered in a hoarse whisper with bowed head.
If I'm wrong - well, with garbage answers like that, he should be answering in a hoarse whisper with bowed head!

BettyBooper · 25/09/2026 14:33

NC that was a digression about RCN's adoption of gender ID. Notes of meeting to recommendations we see RH you asked a number of times (quotes from document) Document 1257. Some discussion about documents

[Seems to be some confusion about which doc referring to.]

NC Rachel says you asked a number of times..I am clear...context of own situation' that's a reference to LM asking Rachel about guidance to LG in relation to her campaiging of decrim of abortion. That's a perfectly reasonable q to ask, it's campaigning work too? Closely comp to LM views?

NP reputational damage different. Difficult to state Rachel's motivation
NC it's 'mind your own business' isn't it
NP Rachel advised not to discuss. I would speculate. Only there to discuss Lisa.

weegielass01 · 25/09/2026 14:33

this is getting quite funny now