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The Bluestocking, a unique location for daughters and sisters of earth, frost, feathers, fur, scales and spines

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AsWithGlad · 04/09/2026 19:22

Welcome to The Bluestocking, the best (perhaps only) online women's pub. Nothing in the food or drink can harm you, everything is served by a very enthusiastic crew of gerbils, who enjoy doing this, and any curious menfolk are welcome at the Staunch Ally down the road.

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MarieDeGournay · 19/09/2026 17:01

ErrolTheDragon · 19/09/2026 16:38

Anyone who thinks that cute little cat couldn’t do any damage - have you ever bathed or administered a pill to an unwilling cat?😬

I know it's a wild animal and would NOT take kindly to having its adorable little roundy ears scritched by a random human😦we're just going a bit silly over how cute it is... in photos, at a safe distance😬

A selfie with Naomi, Kitty? WowEnvy
Kitty is not just showing that she has no camera in her tummy, but also how bendy her spine is - they can twist like that in mid-air, can't they? Clever Kitty!

MyrtleLion · 19/09/2026 17:04

47. More Returns

In which Angle is kept busy…

@ErrolTheDragon landed in the yard at a quarter to four and the glasses on the bar shelf rang for some time afterwards. Gordian went out to untie the empty picnic basket and the gerbils came in full of news.

“WE FOUND IT,” said Gantry.

@AngleofRepose had the notebook open. “Where?”

“ST CATHERINE’S CHAPEL.”

Gasket took over, “There is a window by Veronica Whall called the Bowman window. It is for a soldier who died in the first war and the mark is in the leading under the figure with the chalice.”

“The circle and the three lines,” said Gadget. “In the bottom border. Gantry photographed it from a kneeler, which she was asked not to stand on and stood on anyway, and then from Errol’s claw through the chapel door, which the verger allowed on condition it was quick.”

“IT WAS QUICK.”

“It was not quick,” said Gadget. “That’s everything I’ve got. There’s a birthday and I need to sort out the cake.”

“You couldn’t tell what sex the figure was,” said Garnet.

“Which figure?” asked Angle.

“The one with the chalice. Long robe. Long hair. Holding the chalice up in front, like this.” Garnet held up her mug. “We stood under it for a long time and Gantry said it was a woman and Gadget said it was a man and I said you couldn’t tell, and the verger said she had never been asked.”

“WE DIDN’T ASK HER WHAT SEX IT WAS,” said Gantry. “WE ASKED HER WHETHER SHE KNEW.”

“She didn’t.”

Angle wrote Carlisle. St Catherine’s Chapel. Whall, the Bowman window. Margrave’s mark under the chalice figure.

“Were there seeds in Carlisle?” asked Girdle.

“No,” said Garnet. “I asked.”

@NotAtMyAge arrived from Coventry at half past four. “No mark,” she said, and sat down.

“Go on anyway,” said Angle.

“The Baptistry Window. It’s John Piper’s design and Patrick Reyntiens painted the individual glass panes, and it’s about twenty-five metres high, which is roughly two longships stood end to end on their stern.”

“One hundred and ninety-five lights, all abstract,” she continued. “It’s incredible. Basil Spence designed the stone around it, and the font is a 3-tonne boulder shipped over from a hillside outside Bethlehem. The side walls are set at an angle to it, so at certain times of the day beautiful, coloured rays are projected onto them. I went twice, once at eleven and once at two, just to see it move.”

Angle wrote Coventry. Baptistry Window. Piper, Reyntiens. 195 lights. No mark.

@MarieDeGournay came in a little before five and said simply, “Lincolnshire”. Angle turned to the page that had been empty for a week.

“The Trust’s telephone rings inside the old Chapter House,” said Marie. “It is all that is left of the priory. Octagonal. The village calls it the chapel. Three of the eight sides are brick, the side with the door and the two either side of the opposite side, which has a plain wooden prie-dieu in front of it. That side and the rest of the sides are just plain clear glass. No stained glass windows at all. That is everything. No altar. No colour. No mark anywhere. Just the building, the phone and the prie-dieu”.

Angle wrote it all down.

“I went back the next morning to look again in a different light,” said Marie. “There was nothing further to see. Then I gave the key back to the churchwarden’s sister.”

“Sainte-Chapelle,” said @Hedgehogforshort. “There is an original window from the cathedral in a crate sent from Fenella Burnish to Sweden, along with three others. We want you to go to Paris and see if you can find a mark.”

“Of course,” said Marie. “When?”

“Now, if it suits you.”

“It suits me.”

Gendarme, Gateau, Garlic, Glacé and Gourmand immediately began to squabble again about who was French enough to accompany her.

“Only one of you can go,” said Girdle, “Marie will decide.”

“Why one?”

“Because Marie can’t take five gerbils to Paris.”

“Marie can take as many gerbils to Paris as she likes,” said Marie, picking up her bag. “It is a large city. You can all come.”

Five coats were taken off five hooks, and Gendarme took her beret out of her pocket. They had left with Marie before Gasket could clear the cups off the table.

Griffin, Gimbal and Graphic arrived at their usual time. The grey smear down the side of Graphic’s paw had still not come off with washing.

“I leaded Gemma Glasswing’s window,” she said. “The whole day. I finished at ten past five and Fenella came and looked at it and then went back to her bench.”

“I’ve got the spreadsheet,” said Griffin. She undid the button on her inside pocket, took out @Boiledbeetle's data stick and gave it to Angle. “I saved it to the stick while Halcyon was in the office. Nobody looked round.”

Gimbal had not sat down. “Compartment 23 is empty,” she said. “So is 106. I went through the whole box from one to two hundred on paper for the stamps list, and those two have nothing in them. I put both stamps in myself. Nobody has asked me for either since I did.”

“Which one is 23?” asked Angle.

“The old mark, with the curve and the tail,” said Gimbal. “And 106 is the Margrave’s mark.”

“There’s one more thing,” said Gimbal. “We were leaving. Halcyon had gone. I’d left the broom by the bench, so I went back to put it away. I opened the workshop door and saw Fenella looking at Graphic’s window. She had a stamp in one hand and the small hammer in the other. She turned the die to the light to check it and I saw it was stamp 23. She put it on the lead on the bottom edge and hit it once. Then she put it down and picked up the heavier stamp, the Margrave’s mark. She put it on top of where the first one had gone, and she hit it harder.”

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/47-more-returns

The Bluestocking, a unique location for daughters and sisters of earth, frost, feathers, fur, scales and spines
RumNotRun · 19/09/2026 17:19

I thought some of you would appreciate this chap. My dad has suggested that this could be my perfect job but I think I'd need to start small, maybe with a marker for menus and similar.

The Bluestocking, a unique location for daughters and sisters of earth, frost, feathers, fur, scales and spines
MarieDeGournay · 19/09/2026 17:22

RumNotRun · 19/09/2026 17:19

I thought some of you would appreciate this chap. My dad has suggested that this could be my perfect job but I think I'd need to start small, maybe with a marker for menus and similar.

Love it! A grammarian Banksy😁

MarieDeGournay · 19/09/2026 17:26

MyrtleLion · 19/09/2026 17:04

47. More Returns

In which Angle is kept busy…

@ErrolTheDragon landed in the yard at a quarter to four and the glasses on the bar shelf rang for some time afterwards. Gordian went out to untie the empty picnic basket and the gerbils came in full of news.

“WE FOUND IT,” said Gantry.

@AngleofRepose had the notebook open. “Where?”

“ST CATHERINE’S CHAPEL.”

Gasket took over, “There is a window by Veronica Whall called the Bowman window. It is for a soldier who died in the first war and the mark is in the leading under the figure with the chalice.”

“The circle and the three lines,” said Gadget. “In the bottom border. Gantry photographed it from a kneeler, which she was asked not to stand on and stood on anyway, and then from Errol’s claw through the chapel door, which the verger allowed on condition it was quick.”

“IT WAS QUICK.”

“It was not quick,” said Gadget. “That’s everything I’ve got. There’s a birthday and I need to sort out the cake.”

“You couldn’t tell what sex the figure was,” said Garnet.

“Which figure?” asked Angle.

“The one with the chalice. Long robe. Long hair. Holding the chalice up in front, like this.” Garnet held up her mug. “We stood under it for a long time and Gantry said it was a woman and Gadget said it was a man and I said you couldn’t tell, and the verger said she had never been asked.”

“WE DIDN’T ASK HER WHAT SEX IT WAS,” said Gantry. “WE ASKED HER WHETHER SHE KNEW.”

“She didn’t.”

Angle wrote Carlisle. St Catherine’s Chapel. Whall, the Bowman window. Margrave’s mark under the chalice figure.

“Were there seeds in Carlisle?” asked Girdle.

“No,” said Garnet. “I asked.”

@NotAtMyAge arrived from Coventry at half past four. “No mark,” she said, and sat down.

“Go on anyway,” said Angle.

“The Baptistry Window. It’s John Piper’s design and Patrick Reyntiens painted the individual glass panes, and it’s about twenty-five metres high, which is roughly two longships stood end to end on their stern.”

“One hundred and ninety-five lights, all abstract,” she continued. “It’s incredible. Basil Spence designed the stone around it, and the font is a 3-tonne boulder shipped over from a hillside outside Bethlehem. The side walls are set at an angle to it, so at certain times of the day beautiful, coloured rays are projected onto them. I went twice, once at eleven and once at two, just to see it move.”

Angle wrote Coventry. Baptistry Window. Piper, Reyntiens. 195 lights. No mark.

@MarieDeGournay came in a little before five and said simply, “Lincolnshire”. Angle turned to the page that had been empty for a week.

“The Trust’s telephone rings inside the old Chapter House,” said Marie. “It is all that is left of the priory. Octagonal. The village calls it the chapel. Three of the eight sides are brick, the side with the door and the two either side of the opposite side, which has a plain wooden prie-dieu in front of it. That side and the rest of the sides are just plain clear glass. No stained glass windows at all. That is everything. No altar. No colour. No mark anywhere. Just the building, the phone and the prie-dieu”.

Angle wrote it all down.

“I went back the next morning to look again in a different light,” said Marie. “There was nothing further to see. Then I gave the key back to the churchwarden’s sister.”

“Sainte-Chapelle,” said @Hedgehogforshort. “There is an original window from the cathedral in a crate sent from Fenella Burnish to Sweden, along with three others. We want you to go to Paris and see if you can find a mark.”

“Of course,” said Marie. “When?”

“Now, if it suits you.”

“It suits me.”

Gendarme, Gateau, Garlic, Glacé and Gourmand immediately began to squabble again about who was French enough to accompany her.

“Only one of you can go,” said Girdle, “Marie will decide.”

“Why one?”

“Because Marie can’t take five gerbils to Paris.”

“Marie can take as many gerbils to Paris as she likes,” said Marie, picking up her bag. “It is a large city. You can all come.”

Five coats were taken off five hooks, and Gendarme took her beret out of her pocket. They had left with Marie before Gasket could clear the cups off the table.

Griffin, Gimbal and Graphic arrived at their usual time. The grey smear down the side of Graphic’s paw had still not come off with washing.

“I leaded Gemma Glasswing’s window,” she said. “The whole day. I finished at ten past five and Fenella came and looked at it and then went back to her bench.”

“I’ve got the spreadsheet,” said Griffin. She undid the button on her inside pocket, took out @Boiledbeetle's data stick and gave it to Angle. “I saved it to the stick while Halcyon was in the office. Nobody looked round.”

Gimbal had not sat down. “Compartment 23 is empty,” she said. “So is 106. I went through the whole box from one to two hundred on paper for the stamps list, and those two have nothing in them. I put both stamps in myself. Nobody has asked me for either since I did.”

“Which one is 23?” asked Angle.

“The old mark, with the curve and the tail,” said Gimbal. “And 106 is the Margrave’s mark.”

“There’s one more thing,” said Gimbal. “We were leaving. Halcyon had gone. I’d left the broom by the bench, so I went back to put it away. I opened the workshop door and saw Fenella looking at Graphic’s window. She had a stamp in one hand and the small hammer in the other. She turned the die to the light to check it and I saw it was stamp 23. She put it on the lead on the bottom edge and hit it once. Then she put it down and picked up the heavier stamp, the Margrave’s mark. She put it on top of where the first one had gone, and she hit it harder.”

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/47-more-returns

Edited

I'm so excited! Off to Paris! Linconshire was lovely, no disrespect, but ..
✨Paris✨

With a two three four five gerbils.
To paraphrase Henri IV, 'Paris vaut bien cinq gerbilles'

NotAtMyAge · 19/09/2026 17:35

ErrolTheDragon · 19/09/2026 16:38

Anyone who thinks that cute little cat couldn’t do any damage - have you ever bathed or administered a pill to an unwilling cat?😬

I have and I still bear the scars. 😳

NotAtMyAge · 19/09/2026 17:54

Oh, Myrtle, I really love the fact you sent me to Coventry. 😊I first visited the new cathedral on a school history trip only months after it was consecrated in 1962 and absolutely loved the glass. Both the stained glass of the Baptistry window and the wonderful engraved Great West Screen, linking the new building with the ruins of the mediaeval cathedral, are unforgettable. Thanks for bringing back the memories.

EmpressaurusKitty · 19/09/2026 17:57

You must be doing an incredible amount of research for this, Myrtle.

EdithStourton · 19/09/2026 18:21

ErrolTheDragon · 19/09/2026 16:38

Anyone who thinks that cute little cat couldn’t do any damage - have you ever bathed or administered a pill to an unwilling cat?😬

I raise you an alpaca.
Vindictive little buggers. Do not be taken in by their cute little faces.

EdithStourton · 19/09/2026 18:29

Chersfrozenface · 19/09/2026 08:55

I've just noticed that MN adverts are trying to sell me hi-vis clothing. Are they anticipating Gosie sending me into construction/engineering environments at some point?

Blame me.
MN adverts went through a phase of trying to sell me tractors.
No, thank you, I do not want a Fendt.
Or a New Holland... well, I'd quite like a New Holland, but I have nowhere to put it. And I can't afford one either. And I haven't got a tractor licence, though were someone to offer me the chance to get one, I'd be on it like a shot.

Much tractoring going on around here today. I took B&B for a long walk, because I'd spent the morning doing admin and computer-y stuff, and part of the afternoon weeding and cutting things back, and just wanted to get out. Today had been supposed to be a nice restful day, but the admin was annoying me and I wanted it gone.

EdithStourton · 19/09/2026 18:37

RumNotRun · 19/09/2026 17:19

I thought some of you would appreciate this chap. My dad has suggested that this could be my perfect job but I think I'd need to start small, maybe with a marker for menus and similar.

We need more like him.

I hope he also removes unnecessary apostrophes. '3 lemon's for £1' drives me quietly mad.

JanesLittleGirl · 19/09/2026 18:52

It's a good job that you didn't send me to Paris @MyrtleLion. I would have spent the whole time sitting outside a Bar-tabac on the Left Bank smoking Disque Bleus and drinking Absinthe while leaving all the work to the gerbils.

MyrtleLion · 19/09/2026 20:22

NotAtMyAge · 19/09/2026 17:54

Oh, Myrtle, I really love the fact you sent me to Coventry. 😊I first visited the new cathedral on a school history trip only months after it was consecrated in 1962 and absolutely loved the glass. Both the stained glass of the Baptistry window and the wonderful engraved Great West Screen, linking the new building with the ruins of the mediaeval cathedral, are unforgettable. Thanks for bringing back the memories.

Wow! What a lovely coincidence. I have found so much beautiful glass and I want to visit them all, and when I found Coventry I knew I wanted to mention it. I'm thrillled you've actually been there 💙

MyrtleLion · 19/09/2026 20:24

EmpressaurusKitty · 19/09/2026 17:57

You must be doing an incredible amount of research for this, Myrtle.

Most of it from my laptop. 360degree cathedral tours are really helpful. And I have found so many wonderful websites. Someone mentioned Sainte-Chapelle and once I saw this: https://www.sainte-chapelle.fr/en/discover/a-unique-set-of-stained-glass-windows I had to include it. (a sneak preview for what @MarieDeGournay will see soon.

It doesn't feel like research. It feels like noodling around on my laptop!

A unique set of stained glass windows - CMN

A universe of light and colors...

https://www.sainte-chapelle.fr/en/discover/a-unique-set-of-stained-glass-windows

MyrtleLion · 19/09/2026 20:27

JanesLittleGirl · 19/09/2026 18:52

It's a good job that you didn't send me to Paris @MyrtleLion. I would have spent the whole time sitting outside a Bar-tabac on the Left Bank smoking Disque Bleus and drinking Absinthe while leaving all the work to the gerbils.

Edited

I must find you a role, JLG... I think I neglected you in Book I and I haven't even mentiond you this time round. Let me see what I can do. I'm sure smoking French cigarettes on the Left Bank could be useful... 🤔

EdithStourton · 19/09/2026 21:08

The problem with Brains and Batshit around stained glass would be that Brains would just find some interestingly-coloured light in which to sunbathe, and Batshit would break something.

Ah, Batshit. She hasn't done anything particularly stupid for weeks, not since she swung her arse end around and it hit an open door that she'd just walked past, and she got all huffy about it. I was thinning the hazel in the garden today, and she nicked one of the poles I cut out, complete with its leafy end, and ran off with it, but Brains did just the same. Who knew that untrimmed hazel poles would be so interesting? Quite entertaining to watch a dog deal with an eight-foot length of hazel.

Batshit is still very much herself, with strong (and sulky) opinions about things she Doesn't Like, so I'm sure she'll do something daft soon enough. Watch this space...

ErrolTheDragon · 19/09/2026 21:29

MyrtleLion · 19/09/2026 20:22

Wow! What a lovely coincidence. I have found so much beautiful glass and I want to visit them all, and when I found Coventry I knew I wanted to mention it. I'm thrillled you've actually been there 💙

I was a bridesmaid there many moons ago. It was the church of my SiL’s parents so that’s where she and DB got married.

JanesLittleGirl · 19/09/2026 22:02

MyrtleLion · 19/09/2026 20:27

I must find you a role, JLG... I think I neglected you in Book I and I haven't even mentiond you this time round. Let me see what I can do. I'm sure smoking French cigarettes on the Left Bank could be useful... 🤔

Please don't find me a role? Gosie's chronicles will either need my presence or they won't.

Bloody Hell! I'm not usually so humble but I'm really invested in the chronicles.

NotAtMyAge · 19/09/2026 22:17

MyrtleLion · 19/09/2026 20:24

Most of it from my laptop. 360degree cathedral tours are really helpful. And I have found so many wonderful websites. Someone mentioned Sainte-Chapelle and once I saw this: https://www.sainte-chapelle.fr/en/discover/a-unique-set-of-stained-glass-windows I had to include it. (a sneak preview for what @MarieDeGournay will see soon.

It doesn't feel like research. It feels like noodling around on my laptop!

Edited

Really looking forward to Marie's visit to the Sainte-Chapelle. I went there with DH on a weekend trip to Paris in the early 80s and we were both almost overwhelmed by the beauty of the windows in the upper chapel, especially as the sun was shining that morning. It was the first time the two of us had been anywhere without the children since DS was born at the end of 1968. 😁

MarieDeGournay · 20/09/2026 10:28

A bright sunny Sunday morning to you all, I hope, that's what we have here.

Last night I was looking through one of the manyodd little anthologies of poetry I.ve picked up for a quid or two in every charity shop I was ever in, and I came across a poem that reminded me so much of our dear Batshit!
The problem was that the most relevant bit was long, too long for me to type out, and the poet was somebody I'd never heard of so unlikely to have his poems online.
Apologies, Google, I should have known - of course you have the poem online!
It's long, sorry for taking up a lot of space, but .. doesn't it evoke Batshit? Batshit is much nicer of courseSmile
I'll give it it's own post.

MarieDeGournay · 20/09/2026 10:32

RUFUS, A SPANIEL by R. C. LEHMANN

Rufus! there are who hesitate to own
Merits, they say, your master sees alone.
They judge you stupid, for you show no bent
To any poodle-dog accomplishment.
Your stubborn nature never stooped to learn
Tricks by which mumming dogs their biscuits earn.
Men mostly find you, if they change their seat,
Couchant obnoxious to their blundering feet;
Then, when a door is closed, you steadily
Misjudge the side on which you ought to be;
Yelping outside when all your friends are in,
You raise the echoes with your ceaseless din,
Or, always wrong, but turn and turn about,
Howling inside when all the world is out.
They scorn your gestures and interpret ill
Your humble signs of friendship and goodwill.
Laugh at your gambols, and pursue with jeers
The ringlets clustered on your spreading ears;
See without sympathy your sore distress
When Ray obtains the coveted caress,
And you, a jealous lump of growl and glare,
Hide from the world your head beneath a chair.
....
In short, in one anathema confound
Shape, mind and heart, and all my little hound.
Well, let them rail. If, since your life began,
Beyond the customary lot of man
Staunchness was yours; if of your faithful heart
Malice and scorn could never claim a part;
If in your master, loving while you live,
You own no fault or own it to forgive;
If, as you lay your head upon his knee,
Your deep-drawn sighs proclaim your sympathy;
If faith and friendship, growing with your age,
Speak through your eyes and all his love engage;
If by that master's wish your life to rule—
If this be folly, Rufus, you're a fool.

DeanElderberry · 20/09/2026 11:04

Good morning, my internet has come back, hooray.

I returned from my foray into the outside world after about four hours yesterday to find the cats in the exact same place on the bed as when I went out. Obviously they could have been partying all over the house while I was away. Eventually the lure of dinner got them downstairs, and I changed the bedlinen, which is now blowing in the breeze outside.

Book man's (he said he was a codicologist) talk was interesting, about a manuscript written within a hundred metres or so of the spot we were on, maybe the very spot, in the 1150s. About it as a physical object and its travels over the last nearly 900 years, and the calves it was made from, and the repairs previous custodians made to it. I thought Gosie would have approved.

And now my internet has gone again. soddit

still, HAGADAPA.

ShinyBlueTractor · 20/09/2026 11:20

Good morning all, lovely day! ☀️

I'm really enjoying all the vicarious cathedral visits. They sound beautiful though I haven't been to most in person (yet!)

Spent last night imagining taking a year away from work to study something about the past purely for interest - I often have these notions at the start of the academic year, it's been rather more pronounced this year as we have been empty nested since last weekend (barring the cat, as she's noisily reminding me).
Will I do it? Well, not this year. Possibly some time..

HAGADAP everyone x

Magpiecomplex · 20/09/2026 12:04

Point of etymology for the pedants here. If you were in charge of a boat with a diesel engine and no sail, could you be described as "sailing" it? I'm having a disagreement with a friend who claims he is sailing, but I maintain he can't be, because no sail.

Chersfrozenface · 20/09/2026 12:17

Magpiecomplex · 20/09/2026 12:04

Point of etymology for the pedants here. If you were in charge of a boat with a diesel engine and no sail, could you be described as "sailing" it? I'm having a disagreement with a friend who claims he is sailing, but I maintain he can't be, because no sail.

The consensus seems to be that sailing a boat requires a sail.

The verbs for controlling the speed and direction of a boat powered by a motor/engine seem to be steering, helming or piloting.

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