Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton, following Employment Tribunal judgment - thread #62

Whoever said things would hot up shortly, you were correct.

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So the inference is that LM because of her women’s rights activities outside of her employment was investigated?

Dynamite

LM informal meeting of concern Nornan told me- note form RC lm it’s about informal meeting of concern example rewording declaration of interest I was asking q re external work any templates refer to eg colleague did work completed declaration of interest form been on STV comparable
LM Would be useful to my situation RC got quite angry not relevant
NC 1257 4 bullet points down J two 1257 , second page
LM I asked other employees dec of interest can’t discuss others with you. I wasn’t asking that was asking if template transferable to me
NC what was concern about ext work

I know I'm ahead of the tweets so I won't give spoilers.

But...

Wow!!

Just wow!!!

LM McKenna said to me if one of our menbers read it. Line manager said you define a woman as a biological female that is all I could get from her
NC resigned ? 2019 what made that decision
LM Intrusive not reasonable to tell what work in personal time would nt tell me what was problematic about it

Reflect on your values? What, that women are a distinct biological sex?

FFS

Utterly rage inducing.

LM couldn’t be sure would not happen again - was it my colleagues felt I was a bigot? Could I sit and work with the - stressed mil quite ill- told RC didnt know how to proceed. Page and half of a4 told not apporopeaife couple of sentences. Told to reflect on values and if aligned with RCN equality statement
LM - I agree with all of it but don’t think should be one group above another ? Upset about this - end of tether going home crying - husband d asked if I want to do work on sex and gender I said yes/ he supported me resigning so I resigned.

NC p767 explain ?
LM I wasn’t sure if speak to Theresa Fife before departure as she’s busy person. Wanted to write to her to explain why resigning wanted to put my side of story across, not confident RC would be frank. I put out what exp of being investigated had been line and why I decided to resign

NC P773 explain
LM June 2021 wrote about my experience for Women’s Place Uk website- Maya Forstater who was sacked due to her own work on sex based rights had just won on appeal - I wants to tell what happened to me, hadn’t wanted to talk about it before but felt more emboldened .

This is RC
https://www.ccpscotland.org/ccps-news/rachel-cackett-to-join-ccps-as-chief-executive/

Were they also telling those that claim you can change sex and men should be allowed in women's spaces to reflect on their values?

Rhetorical question!

playing devil's advocate - RCN could try to say these are all separate matters / individuals, couldn't they?

I don't think DH has much hope of undermining Lisa Mackenzie's evidence. I wonder if he'll even bother trying.

LM they knew trade unions so wrote as a blog for them explaining
NC Letter to Theresa Fife? Response ?
LM Brief meeting cordial thanked for work letter not discussed - (missed)
NC p1200
LM Blog I wrote for Murray Blackburn Mackenzie 2025 (missed)
NC 3 pages in - p814 says at bottom closest training for RCN diversity training LM Undergook training week before resigning sept 2019

NC p817 diff publication
LM Guidanxe for ? RCN - doc prob guidance caring for trans patients - a
NC When enforced
LM 3 editions first in 2016 and when I wrote blog third edition on website
NC first edition turn p1262 second editin of same doc is thay still available ?
LM online April 2025 but no longer

We're on to eunochs

Mic drop from NC on eunuchs!

I'll bet he wants a break

LM saved a copy in my email in 2021 second edition
NC anywheee now
LM Not on web
NC concerns ?
LM Accommodate patient with TG identity Discussion about docs
LM accommodation on p6 where trans patients - care give asked patient for pref and gender presentation as to where they are placed - can’t maintain single sex space
LM my view is privacy and dignity women accommodated single sex ward.
NC glossary page 13? Concerns?
LM contested refs eunuch as a gender identity ( missed) alternative gender eunuch gender queer clinical care was eunuch as a gender identity
NC no further Q

J break?
DH yes mid morning break
J advised LM not to discuss

Break. Goodness. OK, so maybe RCN will still be able to argue that they didn't treat SP differently because of her gender critical beliefs, but they aren't going to be able to argue that they didn't have a position on the matter! Good.

Wow! Well that was informative!

Do we know who the man facing the camera, sitting where the woman who was wearing a pale coloured cardigan yesterday was? On this thread it was thought she was handling media etc for the Claimant.

He looks familiar.

(I hope this is an appropriate question. I've waited for the break to ask it.)