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Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3

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fromorbit · 02/05/2026 11:45

Zack Polanski is making things bigger yet again so another thread needed.

Well things have developed rather a lot since the start. ZP started out as being another sexist guy in politics - no shortage those around, but he thought he could take it to a new level and he proved he could do it.

The Green threads have followed his rise from the start of with the Hypnoboobs scandal and much more. There is also:

Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it, has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and is now encouraging people to sue the Green party if they attempt to stop them saying racist stuff.

The other deputy Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounding like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. Yet she is the least crazy when violence is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

Hypnoboobs scandal got worse recently when it became clear from BBC footage ZP actively believed in the Hypnoboobs thesis rather than being tricked into it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

Alongside all this there is constant ongoing attacks on biological reality from the party in interviews and in policy.

Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of antisemetic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.

The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power. The huge drama over a crazy motion which they were trying to pass against Israel at conference alongside a motion to prevent women having sports will surface again their September conference.

It seems likely after next week The Greens are going to be running a bunch of councils which doesn't bode well after their antics in Bristol.

Yet there is hope, in Bristol women are fighting back_: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued_

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, ( https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Greens internal drama warms up | Mumsnet

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts. *How the Green Party forgot...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

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ArabellaScott · 05/08/2026 16:53

He adds that he believes addressing the climate crisis will help with other political goals

No shit.

AngleofRepose · 05/08/2026 17:58

I predict The Greens will either dump identity politics altogether, or they will dump Zack. What a choice!

ArabellaScott · 05/08/2026 18:00

Why not both? 🙂

Lalgarh · 05/08/2026 19:21

I doubt they'll dump identity politics. It's the only key thing keeping their halfway reliable voting base on board, as demonstrated by global majority greens

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2026 00:49

ArabellaScott · 05/08/2026 16:53

He adds that he believes addressing the climate crisis will help with other political goals

No shit.

Isn’t their raison d’être supposed to be the climate crisis, not “other political goals”?

Lalgarh · 06/08/2026 01:07

People who've suggested this in recent months have had the Zack Army smack them down as jealous of the greens commitment to a better world.

Whisper it, but if they really do make "how will this affect climate change" as front and centre, it'd mean some very unpopular policies, not least in reducing food miles and meat and food needing to be more expensive, as well as stuff current buried in the party conference motions like restricting pet ownership.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2026 01:12

Have they got anything about population reduction policies? That’s the sort of thing I can imagine they might advocate.

Lalgarh · 06/08/2026 01:21

I think they used to. AI Google says

"In its early history during the 1970s and 1980s (when it was known as PEOPLE and then the Ecology Party), the predecessor to the Green Party of England and Wales explicitly argued that overpopulation drove environmental crises and advocated for stabilizing and gradually reducing the UK population.

Early History & Population Stance1970s–1980s Proposals: Early manifestos and internal debates featured explicit population-reduction targets and discussions around managing human numbers relative to ecological carrying capacity.
Shift in Tone: As the party professionalized into the modern Green Party through the 1990s and 2000s, explicit calls for a "reduction" in the UK population were largely dropped or muted.

Internal Tensions: While some members maintained links to organizations focused on demographic pressures (such as Population Matters), other factions within the party actively pushed back against targeting population or immigration, viewing it as a distraction from systemic economic and industrial reform.

Modern Stance

Current Policy: The contemporary party has moved away from population-reduction frameworks, pivoting instead toward the Green New Deal, resource-demand reduction, and progressive, welcoming migration policies.

Contemporary Debates: Modern leadership and recent policy updates focus on humanitarian asylum frameworks and green economic transformation rather than limiting population growth."

lcakethereforeIam · 06/08/2026 09:56

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2026 01:12

Have they got anything about population reduction policies? That’s the sort of thing I can imagine they might advocate.

I always thought this might be an explanation as to why they're went whole hog on the transgender thing. If neutering people before they're old enough to breed doesn't cut down the birth rate, I don't know what will.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2026 10:30

They don’t seem to be impressed with the guillotine t shirt photo, although they put it down to incompetence rather than design.

BezMills · 06/08/2026 10:58

I will never not laugh at Walter Titty

How about Lol McKenna

Lalgarh · 12/08/2026 00:07

Green supporter Willoughby is Compiling Lists

https://nitter.net/IndiaWilloughby/status/2087147353719402898#m

Hugh Laurie, Jonathan Ross, Ann Hegarty from The Chase, all those taking money to be in the new Harry Potter reboot, Frances Barber, Stephen Fry (please, spare me “he’s not”), Jimmy Carr, Richard Ayoade, Alexander Armstrong, Shelagh Fogarty, Gyles Brandreth, Amanda Abbington, Martin Freeman, Russell Grant, Rowan Atkinson, Richard Madely, Susannah Reid.

Although an actual TERF blocker list is now blacklisting Zack Polanski as an ally on the grounds that (checks) still follows Amnesty International on social media

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 12/08/2026 06:39

He could have at least put them in alphabetical order, if you're going put people up against the wall, you gonna need better organisation than a random list. 🤪

lcakethereforeIam · 12/08/2026 11:07

Doesn't scan

Season 5 GIF by The Simpsons
1984Now · 12/08/2026 11:38

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 12/08/2026 06:39

He could have at least put them in alphabetical order, if you're going put people up against the wall, you gonna need better organisation than a random list. 🤪

Imagine being so twisted that the merest partisan connection from your previous allies leads you to putting them on a list, on the naughty step, and declaring that to the world.
There's certainly an I in India, so self obsessed is he.

Lalgarh · 12/08/2026 11:51

Is there any connection with Windy and the Aberdeen polycule of Sophie Molly (aka pot noodle, as apparently that's what an ex member says they reek of) and that activist about to stand trial for their posts about Ann Widdecombe. They're big on lists and cancelling by association too.

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fromorbit · 13/08/2026 02:15

Life for the Greens getting messy:

Birmingham Green councillor charged with assaulting five people including three police officers
https://www.gbnews.com/news/birmingham-green-councillor-charged-assault-police-officers

Swapped to Lib Dems in Worcester
Green Party councillor defects with swipe at Zack Polanski
Cllr Martin Allen said it was “unacceptable” that the leader had not expressed sympathy for a police officer injured in the action by "thugs" as he announced he is joining the Liberal Democrats.

Cllr Allen accused Mr Polanski of failing to acknowledge police Sergeant Kate Evans, who suffered a fractured spine when she was hit on the back with a sledgehammer at Elbit Systems near Bristol.
https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/26450500.green-party-councillor-defects-swipe-zack-polanski/

Polanski gaffes turbocharge the Greens’ moderates vs. radicals fight
A left-wing pressure group is pushing for more radical Green Party candidates at the next election.
“The way Adrian and Ellie responded to Zack’s post showed that they were so out of step with the party and the leadership,” said Ashok Kumar, a prominent Green activist. “They represent constituencies that, since the move ten months ago, aren’t part of the growing metropolitan base,” he added.

Adrian Ramsay gives a speech in Manchester, England on Sept. 6, 2024. | Christopher Furlong/Getty Images
Members of Greens Organise (GO) — a pressure group aimed at expanding the party’s activist base and pushing it to the left — are strategizing how to get candidates who align with Polanski’s vision selected ahead of the next general election.

They are in private discussions with several New York City Democratic Socialists of America organizers who were behind Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s rise. Former Bernie Sanders staffer Spencer Reed spoke to GO members last week at a virtual session focused on recruiting socialist candidates. Abdullah Farooq, who sits on the DSA's national political committee, appeared at a meeting in May.

https://www.politico.eu/article/zack-polanski-gaffes-green-party-moderates-radicals/

DAN HODGES: Just six months ago Zack Polanski was lauded as the Great Green Hope. Today he's a busted flush...

All of which means he is indeed reshaping the political landscape. But not in the way he hoped.

‘The Green threat is melting away,’ one minister told me. ‘And that has big implications for how we move forward.

‘We don’t have to flex as much to the Left as we thought we might have to. It gives us more flexibility over election timing. And it means we don’t have to split time and resources defending two political flanks at the same time.’

It’s also having an impact on the ambitions of some of those blocked from Burnham’s first Cabinet. Until recently, the perception was the Polanski insurgency made a Labour victory in the upcoming London mayoral election unlikely. But the Greens’ poor showing in the recent Manchester mayoral by-election, and their decline nationally, means the capital is now seen as back in play.

‘David Lammy’s planning to go for it,’ one minister revealed to me last week. ‘His calculation is that with Polanski going backwards the door’s opened up for him.’

I’m also told former Housing Secretary Steve Reed is considering throwing his hat in the ring.

https://www.dailymail.com/debate/article-16039593/Zack-Polanski-Green-Party.html

It looks like the Green internal discord will heighten with the party conference in September then they have leadership elections in 2027. If Mothin stands again he has a good chance of losing, the party elections could get messy.

If the Green collapse continues it could have significant impacts they could see problems in the 2027 council elections.

Green councillor charged with assaulting five people including three police officers

The 66-year-old councillor was arrested last week after police were called to reports of disorder

https://www.gbnews.com/news/birmingham-green-councillor-charged-assault-police-officers

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/08/2026 06:07

"They are in private discussions with several New York City Democratic Socialists of America organizers who were behind Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s rise."

There we have it, the Global Left in action, everything the Greens have been spouting for months has been a copy cat of Mamdani’s platform in New York.

The property grab from landlords, tax the billionaires, government owned grocery stores, it's unworkable Champagne Marxism.

Lalgarh · 13/08/2026 10:15

Talking of the DSA, R4 listeners were introduced to Hassan Piker this morning who appears to be being treated as a chief strategist for the democrats even though he's a Twitch streamer whose main thing that he's famous for, (apart from saying America deserved 9/11 and on balance he'd prefer Hamas to Israel; both points he didn't refute) is using a shock collar on his dog.

is Mothin Ali likely to lose the election for deputy in 2027? I thought with the global majority greens they are looking to organise and consolidate. Polanski is likely toast but I think they need him as the smiley front man for the inner city core block vote that has come to them because Gaza

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fromorbit · 13/08/2026 11:31

Lalgarh · 13/08/2026 10:15

Talking of the DSA, R4 listeners were introduced to Hassan Piker this morning who appears to be being treated as a chief strategist for the democrats even though he's a Twitch streamer whose main thing that he's famous for, (apart from saying America deserved 9/11 and on balance he'd prefer Hamas to Israel; both points he didn't refute) is using a shock collar on his dog.

is Mothin Ali likely to lose the election for deputy in 2027? I thought with the global majority greens they are looking to organise and consolidate. Polanski is likely toast but I think they need him as the smiley front man for the inner city core block vote that has come to them because Gaza

Green internal politics are messy so 2027 is going to be interesting - nominations open in June, July is campaigning, and August is voting. The anti-Israel faction obviously want to keep Mothin in place to a degree, BUT the fact he is too random to use on TV and said a bunch of dumb racist stuff over the years is a big drawback. I think there are other ambitious figures who might have similar politics, but are less clunky more subtle in their prejudices and all importantly are even better than Mothin than keeping the trans faction happy as they don't like him and he doesn't like them.

The normal faction of the Greens will probably run some kind of candidate in the male lane for deputy too. Mothin is also vulnerable because he is sexist in the wrong kind of way - more old school sexism than the modern kind. I think in a tough campaign he will blunder and damage himself too.

Plus in the last deputy leadership contest none of the senior Greens went in for it. I think this time someone Like Adrian Chamberlain MP might as it is easier than taking on Zack.

The big question will anyone significant bother to stand against Zack who is flawed but still has a strong internal party base. I think the anti-Israel lot may run someone. Especially as it seems Zack is working behind the scenes to try to block their craziest ideas. Online you see them saying anti-Semitic stuff about him. This is why the conference will be crucial we will see who has power in the new expanded Greens. If the party just votes in anti-Israel, anti NATO, anti women, pro-crime policies, ala like the craziest part of the US "left", after a vicious row it could doom itself further to the margins. At a time of massive heat waves. However if some of the most insane stuff gets blocked we can expect them to start saying ZP is working for Mossad etc and move against him.

Also there will be competitors for Rachel Millward's seat. She is way more competent than Mothin, BUT also is not that crazy so expect to see a left challenge against her, but I don't think they are a serious threat. Her challengers could include Ellie Chowns and Hannah Spencer who would be tough opponents. Millward has the advantage of being posh and sounding reasonable and "nice" she just doesn't want asylum seekers in her neighbourhood a respectable position for many Greens. She has the "correct" takes in general, and the fact she is a public school girl means she has the fall back of being vicious in a nice way which the Greens love. However that won't be enough to stop Spencer if she decides to run as she is way more fun.

I think Zack will probably survive 2027 if he wants to stay in it is only 2 years, barring him making Walter Titty style blunders on scale even larger than ever before, which of course is possible.

The 2029 Green election will coincide with a Parliamentary election year so that will be complex and by then even his hypnotic powers will be very weak so while he could see serious challenges it would depend on when Burnham calls the election and how well the Greens do.

Of course the Greens may have bankrupted itself by then fighting court cases trying to prove women are not real.

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/08/2026 12:19

What if the new leader is Nicola Sturgeon, she's being sucking up to the Greens recently, and the book grift can't go on for much longer. 🤣🤪

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fromorbit · 17/08/2026 03:44

Development: It seems 4 recently elected Muslim Green councillors in Bolton are planning to break away reportedly due to a poor safeguarding policy regarding social media. It seems they are better aligned with Gaza Independents than other Greens.

Bolton Green Party Councillors threaten to break away
Bolton Labour group leader Cllr Akhtar Zaman said he was “not surprised” by this recent development.
He said: “It has been an open secret that there is serious division within Bolton Green Party as a direct result of these people being elected and attempting to take over the Bolton Green Party.”
"In addition, it was quite obvious to all those involved in the recent Rumworth by-election that Bolton Green councillors were not campaigning for their colleague, Alan Johnson, the official Green candidate, but were instead openly campaigning for the independent candidate.
"It is for the Green Party to deal with that betrayal, but in all likelihood they would have been expelled anyway."
He added: “They have never been Green and have just used that party label to get elected, which represents one of the biggest manipulations of the electorate that we have ever seen in Bolton and voters across Bolton will quite rightly feel conned by these fake Greens."

https://archive.is/QEWDS

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 17/08/2026 06:02

Thanks, that's confusing, Labour accusing Green Clls of betraying the Green Party. It's sounds like more Gaza independents in the making, if all the Muslim support goes to the 'Independant Greens" that could be the end of the Green Party.