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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) I have noticed here

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heresyandwitchcraft · 14/08/2018 17:21

Hello! Are you new? I am still pretty new, myself. Mumsnet can be hard to navigate.
Here are some commonly asked questions I’ve seen asked on the feminist board, with links to threads. Please have a look at these, as many of the regular posters will have likely covered your question in-depth before. I am hoping they don't mind me creating another basic FAQ, that can hopefully be added-to. Remember that this board is not a monolith (even though it might appear to be such), although the majority of posters do seem to have a clearly gender-critical slant, where feminism is centered around biological females. Centering females is also known as radical feminism - because the radical part refers to going back to the "root" of female oppression (which in such feminist theory is the female body).
These FAQs will be heavily related to the "transgender debate" because that is a hot topic right now.

What is the definition of "trans" that is typically used in this forum?
It is Stonewall's:
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.
www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/glossary-terms#t

You will notice that it does not specify only individuals who have gender dysphoria (discomfort with their own body/sex), but includes cross-dressers and those whose feelings are fluid. This is different from the classical term "transsexual," which refers to people with a medical condition named "gender dysphoria," which can only be alleviated by permanently inhabiting the social role of the opposite sex and potentially undergoing medication and surgery in order to achieve this. So the current trans umbrella has been significantly widened and now includes people who have no discomfort with their bodies but simply "identify as" another gender.

It is worth remembering that the definition of "transitioning" now is also very loose. Stonewall defines it like this:
The steps a trans person may take to live in the gender with which they identify. Each person’s transition will involve different things. For some this involves medical intervention, such as hormone therapy and surgeries, but not all trans people want or are able to have this. Transitioning also might involve things such as telling friends and family, dressing differently and changing official documents.

So there is no set definition for transitioning. This could be as simple as wearing a different set of clothes, changing one's name or pronoun.

Under these definitions, the following people are to be considered fully women, just like any female:
Danielle Muscato:
www.daniellemuscato.com/
Ibi-Pippi Hedegaard:

Alex Drummond (who identifies as Lesbian and is on the Trans advisory panel of Stonewall): www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3275432-Why-does-Stonewalls-definition-of-Transgender-trump-all-others-and-does-it-really

Material that serves a useful place to start to understand the gender-critical feminist perspective:
Rebecca Reilly-Cooper
sexandgenderintro.com/
Kathleen Stock
medium.com/@kathleenstock
Magdalen Berns
www.youtube.com/channel/UCvTTakI97sQ4SkMnsH8r0qQ
SAGES Fact-sheet
sages.org.uk/publications/sages-factsheet.html

What is up with the “transgender debate,” why are feminists protesting?
START HERE: “Break it down for me” is a very good introduction (best I have seen) with plenty of links to other beginner’s resources
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me
A short and snappy summary by Datun
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3175666-Want-to-know-why-women-are-livid-trans-thread?pg=1
“A Beginners guide to the transgender debate” is EXCELLENT, with signposting to a whole bunch of relevant material covering specific subjects (I have basically shamelessly ripped off that post - sorry DJ)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3246322-A-Beginners-Guide-to-the-Transgender-Debate-A-Signpost-to-Useful-Mumsnet-Threads?pg=1

What are some female-rights organisations that are looking into this issue?
fairplayforwomen.com/
womansplaceuk.org/
manfridayuk.org/

“Trans women are women”? Why is self-ID into the category “woman” so troublesome for some feminists?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3122473--Transwomen-are-women
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3170708-If-youre-pro-Self-ID-for-trans-people-please-could-you-explain-it-to-me?pg=1
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3297719-self-ID-sinnlos

Why do women care about the definition of woman?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296831-Can-we-talk-about-the-mental-impact-of-being-told-the-definition-of-woman-is-changing

People with cervixes – why are women protesting against dropping the word “woman” to refer to female anatomy in public health?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3277806-Cancer-Research-anyone-with-a-cervix

What’s the issue with “cis”?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323848-Could-we-reclaim-cis

Why is “TERF” considered a slur?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3330245-Abuse-of-GC-women-on-twitter-be-warned-graphic-disturbing
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3330285-Woke-guy-that-did-that-terfs-are-trash-song-accused-of-sex-crimes
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3040706-TERF-isnt-just-a-slur-its-hate-speech
terfisaslur.com/
The “science of gender identity”?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331998-The-science-of-transgender-gender-identity?pg=1

A discussion on misgendering:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3334275-Misgendering

Why is the argument “trans women are women, just like black women” considered to be so offensive?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3326391-Why-do-TRAs-keep-using-black-women-when-defending-TWAW

“Don’t most feminists support trans people?”
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3327679-vast-majority-of-feminists-trans
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3327466-People-apparently-support-trans?pg=1&messages=25

What about intersex?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3305291-Trans-activsims-appropriation-of-intersex

Why the fixation on toilets?
A perennial favourite. This subject has been discussed multiple times.
Here are some relevant threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3330297-Museum-of-London-why-female-only-toilets-were-so-important
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3322488-GRC-and-Toilets?pg=1
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329936-teen-films-girl-in-toilet

What about women’s prisons?
Fair Play for Women: fairplayforwomen.com/prisons/

Recent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3334473-BBC-reality-check-on-trans-prisoners
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3309758-This-never-happens-male-offenders-in-female-prisons

What about women’s shelters?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3158576-Women-s-Aid-considers-employing-self-declared-transwomen-i-e-men-in-womens-shelters
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325247-Stonewall-report-into-domestic-and-violent-services

What about transgender children?
The first port of call should be:
gids.nhs.uk/
A gender-critical parent view is represented by:
www.transgendertrend.com/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3265524-Transgender-Trend-Crowdfunder-suspended?pg=1
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317880-Parents-who-wont-affirm-8-yr-old-gender-change-being-referred-to-social-services
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3280972-Rapid-Onset-of-Gender-Dysphoria-in-Adolescents-and-Young-Adults-a-Descriptive-Study
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3318996-Excellent-counter-view-to-ROGD

Why are lesbians protesting?
Magdalen on "Are Genital Preferences Transphobic?"

Trans activism and the lesbian community www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3146166-Transactivism-and-the-lesbian-community

London Pride 2018 protests: Get the L Out
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301033-Get-the-L-Out-Statement-by-the-lesbian-protesters-at-Pride-London

An introduction to the “cotton ceiling”
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3294339-cotton-ceiling-evidence-thread

What about women’s sports?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324477-Transwomen-in-sport-I-need-sources-re-their-advantage

What's going on with the Girl Guides?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2832114-This-puts-me-off-Girl-Guides
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3314566-another-girlguiding-update

What is the difference between transsexuals and the current understanding of transgender ideology? Why are some trans people against the ideas being espoused by some trans activists?
Rose of Dawn
www.youtube.com/user/AshleeK9
Debbie Hayton
debbiehayton.wordpress.com/
Miranda Yardley
mirandayardley.com/en/

What are the protected categories in the Equality Act?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3327711-Has-Transgender-replaced-Gender-Reassignment-in-protected-characteristics-of-Equality-Act

Why is self-ID/reform of the Gender Recognition Act considered controversial?
fairplayforwomen.com/full_guide/
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3188687-impact-of-self-id-on-equality-act
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3198512-Help-me-be-clear-about-the-GRA-Equality-Act-Exemptions

What can I do if I am concerned about this issue?
Links to consultations
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3318003-Bringing-your-MUST-DO-WOMENS-RIGHTS-consultations-together-with-links-and-timelines-thread
Other actions
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329362-Get-offline

Why are women protesting self-identifying trans women taking places on all-women’s shortlists?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3136891-Transwomen-should-be-considered-for-all-women-shortlist-Guardian
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329447-People-Who-Oppose-Trans-Rights-Have-No-Place-In-Labour-Says-The-First-LGBT-Mayoral-Adviser?pg=1

How has the gender debate evolved, from the gender-critical perspective?
This “Greatest hits” thread is illustrative
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3318916-Gender-Critical-Greatest-Hits
Also this:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317032-Using-women-as-human-shields
And a discussion around the silencing of gender-critical voices
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3273966-Twitter-banning-accounts-that-deadname-Ian-Huntley-is-not-using-his-female-name-hate-speech-now
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3262965-Good-article-today-BBC-on-the-twitter-ban-on-womens-free-speech-on-trans-issues?pg=1

“Feminism is about equality” or the related “Is feminism for men?”
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331306-Feminism-is-equality
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3332894-Can-a-man-teach-feminism

Are we evil?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301684-Are-we-the-baddies

Are you alone in your gender-critical thoughts?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3291425-Gender-Critical-Lurkers
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3277047-I-am-S-p-a-r-t-a-c-u-s

Are you affected by marital difficulties related to trans issues?
You’re not alone
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

Who is Jess Bradley and why is this individual important?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321764-Jess-Bradley-suspended-Part-II
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323623-Who-is-really-funding-Jess-Bradleys-defence

What are some of the theories about the funding of the trans activist movement?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3328210-Follow-the-money-who-is-funding-the-US-transborg

Why is the feminist board so careful?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321127-public-service-announcement

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Materialist · 15/08/2018 00:06

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heresyandwitchcraft · 14/08/2018 23:58

Thanks Errol!

Do trans women get periods?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3305505-Transwomen-have-periods-too-you-know-Just-no-bleeding

An example of the "no true trans woman" fallacy?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3266198-No-True-Transwoman-transadvocates-question-whether-TW-is-genuine-after-said-TW-sexually-harasses-women-in-homeless-shelter?pg=1

Women with penises?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3314033-The-vast-majority-of-male-born-transwomen-still-retain-a-penis

How are female issues being represented by a Labour trans women's officer?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3314307-Why-we-need-representation-from-women-and-why-a-Labour-Women-s-Officer-is-proving-that-transwomen-don-t-represent-women

Is it possible to be a feminist and embrace trans ideology?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2722485-Is-it-actually-possible-to-be-a-feminist-and-completely-embrace-trans-rights

What's the deal with Mermaids UK?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3054431-Mermaids-story-in-the-Sunday-Times-today
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3158443-Mermaids-Teaching-in-Schools
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3190731-Woman-questioned-under-caution-and-banned-from-leaving-the-country-for-criticising-Mermaids

Trans-racialism versus trans ideology?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2863808-Rachel-Dolezal-race-and-gender
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2907910-Transracial-vs-Transgender-new-Rachel-Dolezal-interview

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ErrolTheDragon · 14/08/2018 23:09

The 'rules of misogyny' had a couple more added - here's the link for the list:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/6kkeni/theerulesoffmisogyny/

Truthmytruth · 14/08/2018 22:41

I so wanted something like this so I could share. Thank you. You are amazing. All you posters are. Even Bespin.

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Voice0fReason · 14/08/2018 22:09

Absolutely bloody marvellous - thank you FlowersFlowersFlowers

Wrathofjurgenklop · 14/08/2018 20:58

Thankyou for taking the time to compile this list.
Good workFlowers.

TransplantsArePlants · 14/08/2018 20:30

DadDadDad

As you may know, Stonewall is a hugely influential and respected LGBTQ charity. As you have noticed, their definition of trans is NOT one which most of the general public is aware of, and if they were to be aware of, might question. And I would guess that most members of the general public are not aware of the fact that at least 80% of tranwomen have a penis and have no intention of changing that fact. And yet, we are accused of being transphobic if we say 'controversial' things like Transwoman are not women

Put more bluntly: No shit Sherlock

ReluctantCamper · 14/08/2018 20:18

Star Star Star Star Star

NoSquirrels · 14/08/2018 20:15

Wow - great posts, OP. Fantastic summary.

Abouttoblow · 14/08/2018 20:01

Brilliant!

heresyandwitchcraft · 14/08/2018 19:48

Where can I find threads that compile more resources and calls to action?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2877199-Gender-Critical-Reference-Thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2995738-Gender-ID-bill-Gender-Critical-To-Do-List

Is there a good thread outlining women's discussions on the topic?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2873456-Until-we-organise-as-well-as-the-transactivists-were-not-going-to-stem-the-problem?pg=1

Please note, my own FAQ is one posted from the perspective of a newbie, so there are likely much more "representative" links on these boards. These discussions have been ongoing here for a long while, and I am indebted to the women who have put in all the leg-work.

OP posts:
JuneOsbourne · 14/08/2018 19:38

What an amazing resource! This must have taken you ages to pull together. Wine

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/08/2018 19:30

This is a really really amazing post. Thank you Flowers

UndercoverGC · 14/08/2018 19:30

Thank you very much for doing this.
I shall read carefully.

heresyandwitchcraft · 14/08/2018 19:24

What are these "rules of misogyny"?
Coined by the legendary thebewilderness (I hope she doesn't mind me reproducing them here):

THE RULES OF MISOGYNY

1st rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.

2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

3rd rule of misogyny: Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.

4th rule of misogyny: Women's opinions are violence against men thus male violence against women is justified.

5th rule of misogyny: WATM! [What about the Men] Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.

6th rule of misogyny: Women who go around being female AT men by menstruating and breast feeding babies deserve punishment.

7th rule of misogyny: Women should always be grateful to men for everything.

8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

9th rule of misogyny: Men always know the "real reasons" for everything women do and say.

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it males men look bad.

11th rule of misogyny: Basic pattern recognition skills are cruel and evil when they hurt men's feelings.

12th rule of misogyny: whatever women suffer from, men suffer from more.

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placemats · 14/08/2018 18:56

I shall eternally bump this so long as my posts keep within the guidelines and I'm not shoved off.

Thank you! here

Star
DadDadDad · 14/08/2018 18:46

Thanks, heresy, for taking the time to organise this material. I wonder if someone will take the bit I've highlighted out of context and say "see, MNetters think these people are women", so hopefully they'll see your clarification too.

Ereshkigal · 14/08/2018 18:42

This is brilliant. Well done Star

SingeBuggerBlack · 14/08/2018 18:40

Holy crap, this is amazing. Thank you Brew for all that work

heresyandwitchcraft · 14/08/2018 18:26

Also, I have absolutely nothing on the encyclopedic knowledge of R0wan or the other posters on this board, but thanks for the kind feedback

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heresyandwitchcraft · 14/08/2018 18:25

Are you saying that Stonewall are the ones who want us to make that leap? Because if we stick with the long-accepted definition of woman as an adult born (physically) female, then the definitions you have quoted would mean a transwoman is not a woman or female, surely?
Yes, I am trying to illustrate the Stonewall definition and how wide it is. It is not my own, but tends to be the common understanding on this board of the term "trans" when we are told "trans women are women" by certain trans activists.

My own definition of woman is that of the dictionary:
Adult female human

Where female is defined by one's reproductive system/sex at birth

Thanks for the opportunity to make this clarification.

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IAmInsignificunt · 14/08/2018 18:21

Why don’t I hear people talking about this in real life?

Well simply not enough people know about the “trans situation” out in the big wide world. Most people think “transgender” means someone has had sex reassignment surgery when in actual fact the number of people who have had this or any medical procedure in this arena is very low. Lots of people don’t mind what they see as “old fashioned transexuals” in female spaces so think the debate is nothing to with them. However when they hear about the Stonewall definition of trans (above in the OP) they are shocked and start to talk more.

Another reason for women not speaking out is they have been attacked for doing so.

A 60 year old woman was assaulted by an anti female protester at Speakers Corner

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/04/madness-our-gender-debate-where-feminists-defend-slapping-60-year-old#amp

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/12/radical-feminist-warned-refer-transgender-defendant-assault/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5613057/Model-punched-feminist-smashed-120-camera-violent-brawl-walks-free-court.html

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3033778-To-think-attaching-a-60-year-old-woman

Women meeting to discuss proposed changes to the law faced bomb threats

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/06/why-are-women-who-discuss-gender-getting-bomb-threats/

Women meeting in Bristol were met with masked protesters kettling them in a dark stairwell.

www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/tense-heavily-policed-protest-held-1479450

Women are scared to talk offline for the reasons above but also because they have been threatened with having their names and addresses revealed, with having their employer contacted and with assault and rape - so that’s why you hear relatively little. That said more and more of us are speaking out. We are growing in numbers, people are willing to join the groups of us speaking out every day but it’s slow because understandably women are scared.
So just because you don’t hear people talking about this “in real life” it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.

zen1 · 14/08/2018 18:00

That’s impressive! Well done OP

IAmInsignificunt · 14/08/2018 17:59

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