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David Walliams

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mrpenny · Today 12:16

To Think it could not have been DW??

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Tricksortreats · Today 17:01

nomas · Today 15:30

Well the Queen paid Virginia Giuffre £9 million pound because she had sex with Andrew when she was 17 so I don't think men having sex with 17 year old is an unproblematic as you claim.

Clue is in the words 'Abuse of power'.

Abuse of power is only relevant for particular professions, in particular teachers.
And Guthrie was underage in the part of the US where she was at the time. A 17 year old is not underage in the UK. You can't just assume that the law is the same all over the world.

CarpeVitam · Today 17:03

PinkFrogss · Today 12:48

I’m not sure if we’re allowed to speculate on names, wouldn’t want MN getting into any legal tRouble if someone gives a Toss about what is posted here.

i see what you did there 😉

Truinio · Today 17:04

nomas · Today 15:30

Well the Queen paid Virginia Giuffre £9 million pound because she had sex with Andrew when she was 17 so I don't think men having sex with 17 year old is an unproblematic as you claim.

Clue is in the words 'Abuse of power'.

’Abuse of power’ is not mentioned in the sexual offences act. The phrase is ‘abuse of trust’ and the positions are clearly listed in section 21 of the act. They are teachers, sports coaches, youth group leaders, medical
personnel etc. Celebrity creep is not one of them. Unfortunately rich, powerful men having sex with impressionable 16 year olds is not an offence.

Virginia Giuffre was paid off because she was trafficked, which is a separate offence, and presumably just to shut her up.

DoNotWalkInTheRain · Today 17:11

I see the BBC is removing Little Britain from its platforms.

This is why I buy DVDs. I hate other people dictating what I can and can't watch because yet another celebrity has been 'cancelled'. Regardless of what Walliams may have done, I still think Little Britain is funny. Fortunately I have got the box set of it.

ThatRedFish · Today 17:18

I’ve always refused to buy his books, I never understood the appeal. They’re literal junk/ twaddle. They seem popular with the kids who watch a lot of junk usually online…..! Our primary school also got rid of them a few years ago, I assumed it was because they’re awful…. When things like this come to light, you wonder if so many people knew but didn’t report …. I’d like to think removed because the books are absolute crap.

ClaudettedeBeauvoir · Today 17:19

Firesidechatter · Today 13:05

Thing is I think it’s limited to kissing rhe fifteen year olds breast, I am genuinly not sure accepting images is a thing, more it’s soliciting, which it seems the woman has no evidence of,

he seems to have been very careful not to break the law. Apart from one incident.

That we know of. At the moment. The Dispatches documentary gave women the strength to come forward about Brand - the same may well happen with Walliams.

Araminta1004 · Today 17:21

Some of you are spectacularly missing the point!

This man was a celebrated CHILDREN’s author in recent years. As such, he is meant to be a role model of some sort as children read his books en masse and libraries, including school libraries stocked them to encourage children reading.

That is why it is all round entirely inappropriate, in every possible way.

TouchMyBumThisIsLife · Today 17:21

I wonder how far away from being 16 the 15 year old was.

CoffeeCantata · Today 17:23

BoilsMyPiss · Today 12:45

Same old story...... surrounded by gushing, mawkish sycophants, highly prized by the industry as top talent, never hears no, believes their hype. Thinks anyone would be delighted to be the object of their desires.

Definitely. It’s the culture around these ‘stars’ which enables them. They earn a lot of money for a lot of people and an attitude develops of don’t rock the boat - Dont upset the talent’.

They are the goose which lays the golden eggs and many of their underlings have a vested interest in not upsetting them.

To be clear - I’m not suggesting these horrible men aren’t culpable - just that it’s a whole permissive culture which enables them. The BBC had a lot to answer for.

ohyesiseethatnow · Today 17:23

Bloozie · Today 16:56

When you get AI to look at the allegations and assess their seriousness - I don't understand why people don't think this is serious.

Sexual contact with a 15-year-old. “Jade” alleges that in 2007 he kissed her, made sexual contact with her breast and tried to put her hand down his trousers. Potentially criminal. Sexual touching by an adult of someone he knows is 15 is a child sexual offence, even if she appears to agree. Sexual assault may also apply where there is no consent. Intercourse is not necessary for either offence.

Requesting sexual photographs from a 17-year-old. “Alex” says he pressured her to send sexual photographs, including naked pictures, and directed her poses. Potentially criminal under child-image laws. The relevant age threshold is 18, despite the age of consent to sex being 16.

Pressuring and touching a vulnerable young adult. [Name redacted by me to avoid her being search trap] was 18 when they met and alleges he repeatedly pressured her to share his bed and pawed at her while she was staying with him. The alleged touching could be criminal, depending on its nature and consent, under the sexual-offence law applicable at the time.

An unwanted attempted kiss and physical touching. “Ella”, first contacted at 19, says he cornered her for a kiss and later touched her against her wishes.
Possibly criminal, depending on the precise actions and intent. Sexual assault requires intentional sexual touching without consent and without a reasonable belief in consent.

Unwanted advances towards an 18-year-old, followed by an attempt to lead her towards his bedroom while she was drunk. “Sarah” alleges leg-stroking, grabbing her waist and attempting to kiss her. She says her friend intervened on the stairs. The alleged sexual touching could amount to sexual assault, subject to the consent test above.

Sexual harassment of staff. Allegations at Britain’s Got Talent and HarperCollins include unwanted messages and approaches, sexualised comments about women’s bodies and staring at a worker’s chest.
Potentially unlawful workplace sexual harassment. Unwanted sexual behaviour that violates someone’s dignity or creates an intimidating or degrading environment can breach equality law. This can apply without physical touching. It is generally an employment/civil-law matter, although associated assault or criminal harassment would be separate offences.

Cultivating a relationship with a girl from 15, then having sex with her at 17. “Alex” alleges that offers of career support developed into a sexual relationship. She describes the sex as consensual but believes she was groomed. Not automatically criminal on those facts. Consensual sex at 17 is ordinarily lawful. Celebrity status or informal mentoring does not automatically create the legally defined “position of trust” that makes some relationships with 16- and 17-year-olds illegal.

A sexual relationship with a junior HarperCollins employee. The relationship is described as consensual, but the woman reportedly later regarded it as an abuse of power. Not automatically criminal. A consensual relationship with an adult junior employee can raise serious professional and ethical concerns. An imbalance in status does not, by itself, establish a sexual offence.

Being alone with teenage fans behind a closed dressing-room door. Abby Tomlinson says she was 17 and accompanied by a 13-year-old. A separate employee describes finding young visitors with Walliams wearing a towel.
A safeguarding concern, rather than an offence established by those facts alone. Abby does not allege a sexual act in that encounter. Wearing a towel does not itself establish indecent exposure.

A threatening legal letter. Sarah’s friend received a solicitor’s warning about disclosing information concerning him. Threatening legitimate legal proceedings is not itself criminal. Abusive legal threats can raise regulatory or other legal issues, so the wording and purpose matter.

A £300 payment described as “hush money”. A production colleague used that description of a payment to a runner. Walliams says it was an ordinary staff tip. The payment and the colleague’s remark don't establish that he bought anyone’s silence.

I don’t need AI to look at the allegations and assess them! And neither should you.

Did you read the article? I did. You don’t need AI. Just read it and apply your own H.I.

Jesus wept.

Birdie2026 · Today 17:24

DoNotWalkInTheRain · Today 17:11

I see the BBC is removing Little Britain from its platforms.

This is why I buy DVDs. I hate other people dictating what I can and can't watch because yet another celebrity has been 'cancelled'. Regardless of what Walliams may have done, I still think Little Britain is funny. Fortunately I have got the box set of it.

Don't you think it's aged really badly? Some of the humour - the blackface, the incontinent old ladies, the racism disguised as comedy - is embarrassing to watch and personally, although I laughed at Vicky Pollard and Majorie Dawes and her fat fighters club, back in the day, I couldn't sit and watch it now.

CountryMouse22 · Today 17:25

kitex · Today 12:26

Why are so many men depraved?

They always have been. Just now that they are crawling out of the woodwork!

stripes416 · Today 17:27

Bountyhunter888 · Today 16:55

A lot of it is power because in the real world women would not like them and now women are throwing themselves at them, ...not so long ago older men dating girls of 14 15 and 16 was accepted, darling buds of may the vicar fancied one of the daughters he was 30 she was 15, many old pop songs sung.by dirty old men mick jaggar talk of lusting after 16 year olds,. On netflix now is the film about a 14 year old girl lusting after a grown man!!! Look at the amount of female teachers sexually abusing the children in their care, with famous men.i guess no one is saying you cant do that so no boundaries and lastly bill wyman rolling stones started dating mandy smith when she was 13 they had sex when she was 14 but no one stopped him, it was all over the media and accepted, mick.jagger called him a nonce but he still didnt stop.him

I guess it’s just so scary to think about how many men have these thoughts about young people and women. The industry is known for young people having to do awful things to get noticed when they’re promised fame by the people in charge. Or being groomed as fans. Does fame, money and status change people or is this just an innate thing that is brought to the surface simply because they have more protection.
This is obviously a horrible issue with more than the industry, it unfortunately happens in every day life for a lot of people within the workplace and at home and by friends etc but just on the topic of more and more celebrities in recent years being outed for their behaviour, it just scares me to think about

fivepastmidnight · Today 17:30

Firesidechatter · Today 13:29

no fame is not considered a position of power over a 17 year old, there is no crime,

it appears he’s kept on thr right side of the law apart from the one fifteen year old whose breast he kissed, as I don’t think the sexual images will have legs if she has nothing to show he asked for this and she doesn’t,

so again, I think this is like Schofield, its reputational damage, but not criminal activity,

I wonder if the amount of claims, enough for a tv doc, means the programme makers believe the doc will lead to more people coming forward (like they did with Brand) where there is evidence of illegal activity and not just reputational damage.

Bettyfromhomeroom · Today 17:32

It's always the ones you most suspect.

DoNotWalkInTheRain · Today 17:33

Birdie2026 · Today 17:24

Don't you think it's aged really badly? Some of the humour - the blackface, the incontinent old ladies, the racism disguised as comedy - is embarrassing to watch and personally, although I laughed at Vicky Pollard and Majorie Dawes and her fat fighters club, back in the day, I couldn't sit and watch it now.

So have many things 'aged badly' - comedy, films, literature - both classic and popular. Just because something doesn't fit the exact set of moral and cultural values that are deemed 'right' and 'acceptable' in 2026, doesn't mean they have no value.

I really dislike the need to view everything through the lens of the present. In twenty years' time, there will be things that are popular now that people will say have 'aged badly'. Does that mean we should be wary of enjoying anything at all, in case by 2046 we are no longer allowed to enjoy it?

I do not need people to censor my entertainment for me. I am an adult, I understand historical context and changing values, I can apply my own filters where it's needed.

Bloozie · Today 17:38

ohyesiseethatnow · Today 17:23

I don’t need AI to look at the allegations and assess them! And neither should you.

Did you read the article? I did. You don’t need AI. Just read it and apply your own H.I.

Jesus wept.

I don't have access to The Guardian so no, I didn't read the article. And I don't have sufficient legal knowledge to separate what is criminal and potentially criminal, vs skeeve.

It's not about a refusal to engage brain in the matter. I have a brain. It's about separating out the facts as they are understood/alleged, from rhetoric, in a way that doesn't involve me spending an hour going down legal rabbitholes.

Firesidechatter · Today 17:39

Bloozie · Today 17:38

I don't have access to The Guardian so no, I didn't read the article. And I don't have sufficient legal knowledge to separate what is criminal and potentially criminal, vs skeeve.

It's not about a refusal to engage brain in the matter. I have a brain. It's about separating out the facts as they are understood/alleged, from rhetoric, in a way that doesn't involve me spending an hour going down legal rabbitholes.

It’s not a paid site, anyone can read rhe guardian on line, just google.

Isabella70 · Today 17:39

Tricksortreats · Today 17:01

Abuse of power is only relevant for particular professions, in particular teachers.
And Guthrie was underage in the part of the US where she was at the time. A 17 year old is not underage in the UK. You can't just assume that the law is the same all over the world.

Abuse of power is when someone has power and abuses it.

If anyone wants a legal case what about "accessory after the fact" or did the queen not help AMW avoid arrest by paying Giuffre off? Allegedly.

FirmSnake · Today 17:39

DoNotWalkInTheRain · Today 17:33

So have many things 'aged badly' - comedy, films, literature - both classic and popular. Just because something doesn't fit the exact set of moral and cultural values that are deemed 'right' and 'acceptable' in 2026, doesn't mean they have no value.

I really dislike the need to view everything through the lens of the present. In twenty years' time, there will be things that are popular now that people will say have 'aged badly'. Does that mean we should be wary of enjoying anything at all, in case by 2046 we are no longer allowed to enjoy it?

I do not need people to censor my entertainment for me. I am an adult, I understand historical context and changing values, I can apply my own filters where it's needed.

You can continue to watch whatever you like. Nobody else is obligated to show it to you however.

TouchMyBumThisIsLife · Today 17:40

I wonder how much of this could have been stopped had it not been for people, especially younger people, having constant access to smart phones.

Where were Jade's parents?

Birdie2026 · Today 17:40

fivepastmidnight · Today 17:30

I wonder if the amount of claims, enough for a tv doc, means the programme makers believe the doc will lead to more people coming forward (like they did with Brand) where there is evidence of illegal activity and not just reputational damage.

I think that's what will ultimately happen. The women who featured in the Brand documentary weren't the women in court, they came forward afterwards. I'm wondering just how many teenagers DW groomed over the years.

nicepotoftea · Today 17:41

Birdie2026 · Today 17:24

Don't you think it's aged really badly? Some of the humour - the blackface, the incontinent old ladies, the racism disguised as comedy - is embarrassing to watch and personally, although I laughed at Vicky Pollard and Majorie Dawes and her fat fighters club, back in the day, I couldn't sit and watch it now.

I didn't understand the humour back then either.

EarringsandLipstick · Today 17:41

DoNotWalkInTheRain · Today 17:33

So have many things 'aged badly' - comedy, films, literature - both classic and popular. Just because something doesn't fit the exact set of moral and cultural values that are deemed 'right' and 'acceptable' in 2026, doesn't mean they have no value.

I really dislike the need to view everything through the lens of the present. In twenty years' time, there will be things that are popular now that people will say have 'aged badly'. Does that mean we should be wary of enjoying anything at all, in case by 2046 we are no longer allowed to enjoy it?

I do not need people to censor my entertainment for me. I am an adult, I understand historical context and changing values, I can apply my own filters where it's needed.

I'm really really struggling to see what value 'Little Britain' has.

I never liked it, found it puerile and offensive at the time but now, the idea that e.g. the BBC should offer the opportunity to view racial, abelist and sexually demeaning content is beyond comprehension.

We absolutely have a duty to treat people with respect in how they are portrayed in literature, film and other artistic media - I work in a university, there are proactive projects underway, for example, around decolonising the curriculum (across all university environments), addressing harmful language in our library holding and so on. In several universities here (Ireland) we have renamed buildings that were named after notable individuals of the time, who we now realise, were ill-suited to such honours e.g. the Berkeley Library in Trinity, now name the Eavan Boland Library (Berkeley infamously being a known slave owner).

It's worrying that actions like removing offensive programming like 'Little Britain' constitute 'censoring your entertainment' in your view. Entertainment? Really?

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