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David Walliams

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mrpenny · Today 12:16

To Think it could not have been DW??

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Lifeomars · Today 18:05

Birdie2026 · Today 17:24

Don't you think it's aged really badly? Some of the humour - the blackface, the incontinent old ladies, the racism disguised as comedy - is embarrassing to watch and personally, although I laughed at Vicky Pollard and Majorie Dawes and her fat fighters club, back in the day, I couldn't sit and watch it now.

That's how i feel, always hated the black face and the incontinent older woman was especially horrible. However I did find Vicky Pollard funny, and the slimming club was amusing and "computer says no" made me laugh. Always when stuff comes out there are an absolute slew of people saying they always hated the person in question, never watched them, always knew they were a wrong un. I laughed at some of Little Britain but there is no way i would want to watch it now and I laughed at Russell Brand when he first rose to fame. Time passed and I changed my opinion

TouchMyBumThisIsLife · Today 18:03

Truinio · Today 18:00

Email and letters.

LOL @ me

I really am being taken to school today. I need to just shut up.

CoffeeCantata · Today 18:00

Bloozie · Today 17:42

I couldn't stand it then. It hasn't aged badly. Little Britain was racist misogynistic ageist ableist juvenile tripe back then, and it still is now. I have never laughed at shit like that - I have a complete sense of humour bypass when it comes to punching down, and I particularly cannot STAND men dressing as women to humiliate us. Aren't fat old women funny!

See also: Aren't the working classes funny! Aren't people with learning difficulties funny!

Nope.

Edited

This is what I think.

It’s not so much due to its time - I didn’t watch LB when it went out. I’ve seen bits since then and what struck me wasn’t so much racism, sexism and misogyny (although they’re all there) as the nastiness of the sketches. Beyond the dated attitudes, I found it just left a nasty taste in my mouth. It makes sense now we know what a vile person DW is.

Truinio · Today 18:00

TouchMyBumThisIsLife · Today 17:57

Ah, I see. Good point, I'd missed that bit.

That makes it even stranger to me that they were able to contact each other without the parents knowing.

Email and letters.

Truinio · Today 17:58

Isabella70 · Today 17:39

Abuse of power is when someone has power and abuses it.

If anyone wants a legal case what about "accessory after the fact" or did the queen not help AMW avoid arrest by paying Giuffre off? Allegedly.

There is no mention of ‘abuse of power’ in the Sexual Offences Act. The phrase is ‘abuse of trust’ and it is limited to the positions (teachers, medical professionals etc) listed in sections 21-23 of the act.

The Queen paying off Giuffre to keep her quiet has nothing to do with it. Potentially Giuffre was trafficked, which is in itself a crime but has nothing to do with abuse of trust.

Delphiniumandlupins · Today 17:57

the80sweregreat · Today 12:39

Another factor with a lot of these allegations and convictions, the BBC! What a totally corrupt outfit that is.

The BBC has obviously made big mistakes and frequently not protected women but any and every body in the UK who has worked in television is likely to have worked there at sometime so it's not surprising that's a common factor.

TouchMyBumThisIsLife · Today 17:57

nicepotoftea · Today 17:44

Some of this took place pre-smart phone and even pre-mumsnet.

Ah, I see. Good point, I'd missed that bit.

That makes it even stranger to me that they were able to contact each other without the parents knowing.

SandandSky · Today 17:52

ThatRedFish · Today 17:18

I’ve always refused to buy his books, I never understood the appeal. They’re literal junk/ twaddle. They seem popular with the kids who watch a lot of junk usually online…..! Our primary school also got rid of them a few years ago, I assumed it was because they’re awful…. When things like this come to light, you wonder if so many people knew but didn’t report …. I’d like to think removed because the books are absolute crap.

My eldest loves some of the books, and is absolutely not a kid who watches junk online. DC loves Grandpas great escape especially. I actually don’t think some of them are that bad - but then others are dreadful, especially the later ones. I did wonder how much help he had writing the original ones which were actually quite nice stories.

Firesidechatter · Today 17:47

Isabella70 · Today 17:39

Abuse of power is when someone has power and abuses it.

If anyone wants a legal case what about "accessory after the fact" or did the queen not help AMW avoid arrest by paying Giuffre off? Allegedly.

The poster is taking legally,

cowxst · Today 17:44

TouchMyBumThisIsLife · Today 17:40

I wonder how much of this could have been stopped had it not been for people, especially younger people, having constant access to smart phones.

Where were Jade's parents?

You think phones are the issue here?

nicepotoftea · Today 17:44

TouchMyBumThisIsLife · Today 17:40

I wonder how much of this could have been stopped had it not been for people, especially younger people, having constant access to smart phones.

Where were Jade's parents?

Some of this took place pre-smart phone and even pre-mumsnet.

Bloozie · Today 17:42

Birdie2026 · Today 17:24

Don't you think it's aged really badly? Some of the humour - the blackface, the incontinent old ladies, the racism disguised as comedy - is embarrassing to watch and personally, although I laughed at Vicky Pollard and Majorie Dawes and her fat fighters club, back in the day, I couldn't sit and watch it now.

I couldn't stand it then. It hasn't aged badly. Little Britain was racist misogynistic ageist ableist juvenile tripe back then, and it still is now. I have never laughed at shit like that - I have a complete sense of humour bypass when it comes to punching down, and I particularly cannot STAND men dressing as women to humiliate us. Aren't fat old women funny!

See also: Aren't the working classes funny! Aren't people with learning difficulties funny!

Nope.

EarringsandLipstick · Today 17:41

DoNotWalkInTheRain · Today 17:33

So have many things 'aged badly' - comedy, films, literature - both classic and popular. Just because something doesn't fit the exact set of moral and cultural values that are deemed 'right' and 'acceptable' in 2026, doesn't mean they have no value.

I really dislike the need to view everything through the lens of the present. In twenty years' time, there will be things that are popular now that people will say have 'aged badly'. Does that mean we should be wary of enjoying anything at all, in case by 2046 we are no longer allowed to enjoy it?

I do not need people to censor my entertainment for me. I am an adult, I understand historical context and changing values, I can apply my own filters where it's needed.

I'm really really struggling to see what value 'Little Britain' has.

I never liked it, found it puerile and offensive at the time but now, the idea that e.g. the BBC should offer the opportunity to view racial, abelist and sexually demeaning content is beyond comprehension.

We absolutely have a duty to treat people with respect in how they are portrayed in literature, film and other artistic media - I work in a university, there are proactive projects underway, for example, around decolonising the curriculum (across all university environments), addressing harmful language in our library holding and so on. In several universities here (Ireland) we have renamed buildings that were named after notable individuals of the time, who we now realise, were ill-suited to such honours e.g. the Berkeley Library in Trinity, now name the Eavan Boland Library (Berkeley infamously being a known slave owner).

It's worrying that actions like removing offensive programming like 'Little Britain' constitute 'censoring your entertainment' in your view. Entertainment? Really?

nicepotoftea · Today 17:41

Birdie2026 · Today 17:24

Don't you think it's aged really badly? Some of the humour - the blackface, the incontinent old ladies, the racism disguised as comedy - is embarrassing to watch and personally, although I laughed at Vicky Pollard and Majorie Dawes and her fat fighters club, back in the day, I couldn't sit and watch it now.

I didn't understand the humour back then either.

Birdie2026 · Today 17:40

fivepastmidnight · Today 17:30

I wonder if the amount of claims, enough for a tv doc, means the programme makers believe the doc will lead to more people coming forward (like they did with Brand) where there is evidence of illegal activity and not just reputational damage.

I think that's what will ultimately happen. The women who featured in the Brand documentary weren't the women in court, they came forward afterwards. I'm wondering just how many teenagers DW groomed over the years.

TouchMyBumThisIsLife · Today 17:40

I wonder how much of this could have been stopped had it not been for people, especially younger people, having constant access to smart phones.

Where were Jade's parents?

FirmSnake · Today 17:39

DoNotWalkInTheRain · Today 17:33

So have many things 'aged badly' - comedy, films, literature - both classic and popular. Just because something doesn't fit the exact set of moral and cultural values that are deemed 'right' and 'acceptable' in 2026, doesn't mean they have no value.

I really dislike the need to view everything through the lens of the present. In twenty years' time, there will be things that are popular now that people will say have 'aged badly'. Does that mean we should be wary of enjoying anything at all, in case by 2046 we are no longer allowed to enjoy it?

I do not need people to censor my entertainment for me. I am an adult, I understand historical context and changing values, I can apply my own filters where it's needed.

You can continue to watch whatever you like. Nobody else is obligated to show it to you however.

Isabella70 · Today 17:39

Tricksortreats · Today 17:01

Abuse of power is only relevant for particular professions, in particular teachers.
And Guthrie was underage in the part of the US where she was at the time. A 17 year old is not underage in the UK. You can't just assume that the law is the same all over the world.

Abuse of power is when someone has power and abuses it.

If anyone wants a legal case what about "accessory after the fact" or did the queen not help AMW avoid arrest by paying Giuffre off? Allegedly.

Firesidechatter · Today 17:39

Bloozie · Today 17:38

I don't have access to The Guardian so no, I didn't read the article. And I don't have sufficient legal knowledge to separate what is criminal and potentially criminal, vs skeeve.

It's not about a refusal to engage brain in the matter. I have a brain. It's about separating out the facts as they are understood/alleged, from rhetoric, in a way that doesn't involve me spending an hour going down legal rabbitholes.

It’s not a paid site, anyone can read rhe guardian on line, just google.

Bloozie · Today 17:38

ohyesiseethatnow · Today 17:23

I don’t need AI to look at the allegations and assess them! And neither should you.

Did you read the article? I did. You don’t need AI. Just read it and apply your own H.I.

Jesus wept.

I don't have access to The Guardian so no, I didn't read the article. And I don't have sufficient legal knowledge to separate what is criminal and potentially criminal, vs skeeve.

It's not about a refusal to engage brain in the matter. I have a brain. It's about separating out the facts as they are understood/alleged, from rhetoric, in a way that doesn't involve me spending an hour going down legal rabbitholes.

DoNotWalkInTheRain · Today 17:33

Birdie2026 · Today 17:24

Don't you think it's aged really badly? Some of the humour - the blackface, the incontinent old ladies, the racism disguised as comedy - is embarrassing to watch and personally, although I laughed at Vicky Pollard and Majorie Dawes and her fat fighters club, back in the day, I couldn't sit and watch it now.

So have many things 'aged badly' - comedy, films, literature - both classic and popular. Just because something doesn't fit the exact set of moral and cultural values that are deemed 'right' and 'acceptable' in 2026, doesn't mean they have no value.

I really dislike the need to view everything through the lens of the present. In twenty years' time, there will be things that are popular now that people will say have 'aged badly'. Does that mean we should be wary of enjoying anything at all, in case by 2046 we are no longer allowed to enjoy it?

I do not need people to censor my entertainment for me. I am an adult, I understand historical context and changing values, I can apply my own filters where it's needed.

Bettyfromhomeroom · Today 17:32

It's always the ones you most suspect.

fivepastmidnight · Today 17:30

Firesidechatter · Today 13:29

no fame is not considered a position of power over a 17 year old, there is no crime,

it appears he’s kept on thr right side of the law apart from the one fifteen year old whose breast he kissed, as I don’t think the sexual images will have legs if she has nothing to show he asked for this and she doesn’t,

so again, I think this is like Schofield, its reputational damage, but not criminal activity,

I wonder if the amount of claims, enough for a tv doc, means the programme makers believe the doc will lead to more people coming forward (like they did with Brand) where there is evidence of illegal activity and not just reputational damage.

stripes416 · Today 17:27

Bountyhunter888 · Today 16:55

A lot of it is power because in the real world women would not like them and now women are throwing themselves at them, ...not so long ago older men dating girls of 14 15 and 16 was accepted, darling buds of may the vicar fancied one of the daughters he was 30 she was 15, many old pop songs sung.by dirty old men mick jaggar talk of lusting after 16 year olds,. On netflix now is the film about a 14 year old girl lusting after a grown man!!! Look at the amount of female teachers sexually abusing the children in their care, with famous men.i guess no one is saying you cant do that so no boundaries and lastly bill wyman rolling stones started dating mandy smith when she was 13 they had sex when she was 14 but no one stopped him, it was all over the media and accepted, mick.jagger called him a nonce but he still didnt stop.him

I guess it’s just so scary to think about how many men have these thoughts about young people and women. The industry is known for young people having to do awful things to get noticed when they’re promised fame by the people in charge. Or being groomed as fans. Does fame, money and status change people or is this just an innate thing that is brought to the surface simply because they have more protection.
This is obviously a horrible issue with more than the industry, it unfortunately happens in every day life for a lot of people within the workplace and at home and by friends etc but just on the topic of more and more celebrities in recent years being outed for their behaviour, it just scares me to think about

CountryMouse22 · Today 17:25

kitex · Today 12:26

Why are so many men depraved?

They always have been. Just now that they are crawling out of the woodwork!

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