David Walliams

Isn’t that exactly their point.

Same here, on all counts. He was only ever a poundshop Roald Dahl imo, but DS loved the books.

For me, DW's cover was blown by the legal press who referred to "Walliams injunction" in a headline on the most lucrative cases for a particualr firm. The judgment itself makes very dark reading.

But he hasn’t been accused of rape?

Consent isn’t really applicable here, is it?

Most of this I see a man trying to date younger women by sending postcards and flowers and coming across as a bit desperate.

Unedifying, yes. Illegal and rapey, no.

The issue with the 15 year old girl is entirely different and definitely illegal and will presumably be investigated.

The rest of it is just noise.

Men are letches and always have been. But hopefully the tide is turning on this although I’m doubtful this behavior will ever be fully stamped out.

The Guardian says he invited loads of younger women out on social media, but he never, ever assaulted any of them.

The Guardian didn't say 'he never, ever assaulted any of them' what a load of bull.

I'm watching the ITV documentary on Tube, it's nasty creepy stuff,much older famous wealthy man using his celebrity to access very young girls. One thing that really made me feel sick was an extract of an interview with DW and Alan Carr. Carr asks DW how he gets so many women, and DW replies that he offers them lifts in his car. AC responds, " So you are like a dodgy taxi driver, you get them into the car and then pounce", and both men then convulse with laughter. I've had to get away from a "dodgy taxi driver" and one of my friends was raped by one, and then of course there was the Jon Worboys case. i get more disgusted by men by the day

Look at the news. Paedo stuff, rape stuff and grooming. The top 3 stories today.

It is, but that one poster is, as I said earlier, being deliberately obtuse or goady. No one can actually be that stupid not to grasp such a basic point.

Listening to the full 1 hour ITV show on youtube this afternoon quite a lot of the behaviour I would describe as lacking consent, on the rapey spectrum, although you are right there was no specific allegation of rape.

Despite being a man, I would describe 100% of what was actually alleged as totally unacceptable.

But sure, its just noise. All just noise. Nothing to see here.

Ugh.

Agree, I think posters are thinking there must be something more,as he went so far to stop it coming out.

but apart from the 15 year old , everything else is just a bit sad, he didn’t get anywhere, didn’t push it, and only wrote innocuous stuff,

do I think he was hoping to have sex with these girls when they were 17/18, yes, but that’s simply not illegal, distasteful, heinous, yes, illegal, no.

the women at harpers Collins, were mid twenties and fully admit the sex was consensual

I can see why he didn’t want it to come out, but it’s not as it was all illegal stuff like brand, irs because it makes him look like a desperate creep perving on fifteen year olds,

I'm no fan of DW but everyone is entitled to a fair hearing. We are not a police state......yet

This. I’m very underwhelmed by the allegations.

Considering what some women and girls go through, it’s an insult comparing a sad try-hard lech to a sex attacker.

Pointless thread

Agree with this. The suicidal inclination is actually maybe disproportionate to the allegations unless Walliams knows something else maybe coming. I guess there is a public interest to publish as it might encourage others to come forward (as with Brand). The 15 year old described SA but I agree with pp prosecuting maybe difficult if the woman in question now complains to the police. However Brand was brought down partly by the sheer weight of independent accusations so maybe this will be the case here?

LBC just played an actors voice reading out what the 15 year old has said. It was about 10 minutes ago if you go to their catch up service.

I hope that isnt true ive always really liked him

You can have female peodophiles

Then they shouldn’t be posting on here that he is/ isn’t a rapist

I agree. I have read the Guardian article and the girls being quoted were being invited to his house, came back a number of times, took up his offer of staying with him.

I do wonder if there is something far worse that Walliams is worried about. He was an older man looking for young dates. The 15 year old is another matter but probably quite hard to prove after such a long time.

yes this is how I feel.

No matter how much awareness there is, and how many predators like Brand are jailed, men are always going to be attracted to younger women. And if the law says the age of consent is 16 and these men target women at 17, 18, then what? It may be distasteful but it not illegal.

Moreover, the story of the 20 year old photographer paints a particularly tragic story of DW. He clearly wanted a serious relationship, which she admits. He wasn’t “after one thing”. He did introduce her to people to help with her photography. She latterly viewed this as an abuse of power, presumably as he wanted something in return. Which he didn’t get. I kind of feel like he was in a no win situation. Famous, powerful man with ability to help career of younger woman he seeks relationship with. He helps: it’s seen as transactional / manipulative. He doesn’t help, he’s seen as an arsehole who refuses
to help.

Likewise the women at Harper Collins. They were in their 20s and he was looking for a relationship. I feel people are saying he could only approach his financial equals, which would be a very small pool.

Also the girl in the article who says her and some friends were alone in a dressing room with him. 13, 14, and 16 year olds I think. And she’s angry and thinks this should never have been allowed to happen, which I don’t disagree with. But…..nothing happened. He didn’t do anything.

I’m the first to admit he’s creepy and I’ve certainly never been a fan. But I expected much, much worse.

Maybe there is worse to come, I don’t know. But I just feel like people had psyched themselves up for this so much that they feel they need to pounce and carry through with his lynching…..when really what has been revealed is fairly tame.

(except for the story of the 15 year old.)

The vast majority are men!

I agree but I think all the build up has got everyone baying for his blood.

Trial by social media.

My friends dad is the sweetest, loveliest man you will ever meet. He went to school with DW and when asked what he was like he said “absolutely fucking dreadful” which was the first and only time I’ve ever heard him swear or really even talk badly of someone. Think that says a lot.

Although I took my DC to a book signing a few years ago and he seemed very warm and engaging - took a lot of time to speak properly to everyone. Wish I could say he was horrible but I didn’t get any bad vibes at all. On reflection it’s scary how well people can disguise their true colours.

Maybe the point is showing a pattern of liking younger girls and there is a fear that there were more under 16? Personally the alleged assault on a 15 year old and the criminality of this potentially is of much greater importance than staring at a nature woman's breasts. There is a lot mixed into one piece and I wonder if it would have been better to separate different types of allegations i.e. filter true criminality fron show box gossip?

A lot of it is power because in the real world women would not like them and now women are throwing themselves at them, ...not so long ago older men dating girls of 14 15 and 16 was accepted, darling buds of may the vicar fancied one of the daughters he was 30 she was 15, many old pop songs sung.by dirty old men mick jaggar talk of lusting after 16 year olds,. On netflix now is the film about a 14 year old girl lusting after a grown man!!! Look at the amount of female teachers sexually abusing the children in their care, with famous men.i guess no one is saying you cant do that so no boundaries and lastly bill wyman rolling stones started dating mandy smith when she was 13 they had sex when she was 14 but no one stopped him, it was all over the media and accepted, mick.jagger called him a nonce but he still didnt stop.him

When you get AI to look at the allegations and assess their seriousness - I don't understand why people don't think this is serious.

Sexual contact with a 15-year-old. “Jade” alleges that in 2007 he kissed her, made sexual contact with her breast and tried to put her hand down his trousers. Potentially criminal. Sexual touching by an adult of someone he knows is 15 is a child sexual offence, even if she appears to agree. Sexual assault may also apply where there is no consent. Intercourse is not necessary for either offence.

Requesting sexual photographs from a 17-year-old. “Alex” says he pressured her to send sexual photographs, including naked pictures, and directed her poses. Potentially criminal under child-image laws. The relevant age threshold is 18, despite the age of consent to sex being 16.

Pressuring and touching a vulnerable young adult. [Name redacted by me to avoid her being search trap] was 18 when they met and alleges he repeatedly pressured her to share his bed and pawed at her while she was staying with him. The alleged touching could be criminal, depending on its nature and consent, under the sexual-offence law applicable at the time.

An unwanted attempted kiss and physical touching. “Ella”, first contacted at 19, says he cornered her for a kiss and later touched her against her wishes.
Possibly criminal, depending on the precise actions and intent. Sexual assault requires intentional sexual touching without consent and without a reasonable belief in consent.

Unwanted advances towards an 18-year-old, followed by an attempt to lead her towards his bedroom while she was drunk. “Sarah” alleges leg-stroking, grabbing her waist and attempting to kiss her. She says her friend intervened on the stairs. The alleged sexual touching could amount to sexual assault, subject to the consent test above.

Sexual harassment of staff. Allegations at Britain’s Got Talent and HarperCollins include unwanted messages and approaches, sexualised comments about women’s bodies and staring at a worker’s chest.
Potentially unlawful workplace sexual harassment. Unwanted sexual behaviour that violates someone’s dignity or creates an intimidating or degrading environment can breach equality law. This can apply without physical touching. It is generally an employment/civil-law matter, although associated assault or criminal harassment would be separate offences.

Cultivating a relationship with a girl from 15, then having sex with her at 17. “Alex” alleges that offers of career support developed into a sexual relationship. She describes the sex as consensual but believes she was groomed. Not automatically criminal on those facts. Consensual sex at 17 is ordinarily lawful. Celebrity status or informal mentoring does not automatically create the legally defined “position of trust” that makes some relationships with 16- and 17-year-olds illegal.

A sexual relationship with a junior HarperCollins employee. The relationship is described as consensual, but the woman reportedly later regarded it as an abuse of power. Not automatically criminal. A consensual relationship with an adult junior employee can raise serious professional and ethical concerns. An imbalance in status does not, by itself, establish a sexual offence.

Being alone with teenage fans behind a closed dressing-room door. Abby Tomlinson says she was 17 and accompanied by a 13-year-old. A separate employee describes finding young visitors with Walliams wearing a towel.
A safeguarding concern, rather than an offence established by those facts alone. Abby does not allege a sexual act in that encounter. Wearing a towel does not itself establish indecent exposure.

A threatening legal letter. Sarah’s friend received a solicitor’s warning about disclosing information concerning him. Threatening legitimate legal proceedings is not itself criminal. Abusive legal threats can raise regulatory or other legal issues, so the wording and purpose matter.

A £300 payment described as “hush money”. A production colleague used that description of a payment to a runner. Walliams says it was an ordinary staff tip. The payment and the colleague’s remark don't establish that he bought anyone’s silence.

I've said NEITHER. I simply and FACTUALLY pointed out that on another thread someone said he "allegedly had sex with a 15-year old" and I pointed out that none of the so-far published reports state that. It's perfectly fucking simple unless you're a total moron.

Incidentally, we now have another thread going about Stephen Fry for no specific reason other than his husband - who was in his mid-20s when they met - is much younger than he is and whether he'll be next. Fuck's sake.