To not be ok with race-based segregation?

@LusaBatoosa I stand by the statement that if white people had a "White Only" group, they would be vilified. I cannot think of another group where it would be deemed unacceptable.

Please explain how they are ‘different’ and cannot be compared to race.

‘MooseBreath · Today 10:45

@LusaBatoosa I stand by the statement that if white people had a "White Only" group, they would be vilified. I cannot think of another group where it would be deemed unacceptable.’

mmm, anyone think of a reason why that might be?? Perhaps the systematic racism that excluded non-whites from so much of normal life in western countries, South Africa etc?

Maybe the question should be - do YOU feel the need of an all white group? If so, why@MooseBreath

it is genuinely revolting for you to use the word ‘segregation’ - with its extremely specific historical and cultural meaning - in respect of a party designed to celebrate the very people who are proof of how important it is to challenge segregation.

Take your small-minded, idiotic, disingenuous, racist and ignorant views back into your deep subconscious and don’t let them see the light of day again.

You should go educate yourself on intrinsic systems of power, built in racism etc. Good luck

I never said it didn't exist, I questioned how you can be so certain that a group that only consist of white people is only so purely do to racism.

If you can't distinguish the two, biais might be an issue.

I think if poc suggest they want a group specifically for poc, then its up to me to accept that they have different experiences to me and not question or ask them to explain. I won't answer men for example who don't understand why women need sex specific groups, I just expect men to accept it when I tell them we need it.

OP's learnt her attempt at journalism from the Fail Lies are their thing 😂

@savoycabbage When I had my baby I went to a playgroup that was for black and mixed race babies run by Surestart

So Asians and mixed race Asians weren't allowed to join? Only black and mixed white/black women and babies were allowed to join? Mothers can relate to other mothers' pregnancy and birthing experiences, especially if they all gave birth in the same country. It doesn't matter what your race is.

If you stand by the statement, then answer my question. Do you look at groups for people with disabilities and say ‘if people without disabilities did this, they’d be vilified’?

Quite

I'm trying to think what obstacles, issues and oppression unique to me as that I, as a white woman, would need to gather with and discuss amongst other white women

@Roundycippae I personally do not feel the need for an all white group, no. Somebody else might, and they may have completely valid reasons. I am not fighting for an exclusive white group. Merely noting that setting one up would viewed as a KKK/neo-Nazi endeavour, despite intentions being entirely innocent and free of prejudice.

Also not true. In the places I've worked, christmas/easter/summer parties or whatever for specific groups focused on diversity were pretty normal. Not least because often these groups didn't feel comfortable at the "traditional" Christmas party.

I had a client once who asked me to help them with some of their internal comms and staff stuff. They had lots of money to throw at the problem and were very generous - lots of drinks out, wine tastings etc. their big issue was that as mid sized firm, they were struggling to get the front office fee earners and the middle/back office teams to be aligned/get to know each other.

When I asked about the religious, ethnic, gender and age make up of the respective teams, I wasn't shocked to hear that the front office was mostly men, mostly white and with a leaning towards either very young or the very senior, established older (partner level) people. The middle/back office was much more diverse - people of colour, a small but strong group of muslim employees, women etc. Also, all being paid significantly less.

On my suggestion, they'd did some internal research and I was not shocked to discover that the middle/back office people were not attending the laid-on events because they didn't want to drink, they had caring responsibilities at home, they were being paid less and frankly didn't want to do out of hours activities for no extra pay etc etc etc. The event they were laying on to boost team morale, build relationships etc were NOT effective or appropriate.

Last I heard, they'd initiated a monthly Friday lunch, mandated that at least half the partnership attend and were looking at a variety of additional options.

first sentence is true. I'd qualify it further by saying a really thick idiot living under a bridge.

The rest of it she's well aware. As someone else pointed out, there are a few threads like this. Quick search with username only 4 posts (all on this thread)

Very easy to see through. Very amusing. Cowardly, lying racist. What a sad sad existence.

And I said you should go educate yourself on how this works. I'm not going to explain 100s of years of racism and the way in which our systems and organisations and processes are set up to exclude anyone who isn't white.

@LusaBatoosa Oh for fuck's sake, stop trying to turn me into an oppressor! I don't know why a group of neurotypical, able-bodied individuals would want a group free of disabilities. I certainly wouldn't join it if it existed. Would they be vilified for existing? I don't know, because I don't know why it would exist in the first place.

Again, Black women in the U.K. are four times more likely to die while pregnant or just after childbirth than white women. This is not a ‘shared experience’ and, yes, race clearly does matter. There has been a huge amount of work and campaigning around the treatment and outcomes of ethnic minority women during maternity and we are STILL dying.

It’s a playgroup though not a group for pregnancy support. And it is based on the race of the babies, not the mums.
So not about the pregnancies but caring for babies. How is breastfeeding / waking up at night / changing nappies / feeling lonely on mat leave different based on the race of your baby?

A PP said the breastfeeding support was absent for black mums, which would be a fair point if white mums were getting support but they are not really getting any either.

As a young mum the very last thing that I would notice when talking to another new mum would have been the colour of her skin. And all the topics shared were universal (tiredness, worry about baby’s weight gain, breast vs bottle, …)

Just another thread started by a racist, to cause indignation amongst people. There is too much of this sort of thing happening on MumsNet. It is quite sad, and disturbing.

Never forget the suggestion and request to create a Black Mumsnetters section was met with such extreme hostility from some posters, that one Mumsnetter even photoshopped fake DMs from the poster who was lobbying for that section, to try to make it look like she was harassing and trolling via DM, in order to try to get her banned from Mumsnet.

Imagine going to that amount of effort to fuck up a complete stranger, just because you don't want black people having their own space, a space you can very easily just ignore.

The hatred and outrage of people of colour wanting their own spaces is just unreal.

It is not the responsibility of an excluded minority to be inclusive
I hate this attitude 'it's not my problem...' should only those who happen to be born in a majority to tak responsibility for everyone else?

Just about everyone will belong in a minority or the other. If someone suffers from a rare disorder, is it everyone else responsibility to understand how it affects them and accuse everyone else if they are not educated?

We are ALL socially responsible. Responsible to learn as much as possible about minorities and to EDUCATE others who are not familiar with the minority we belong to.

One of the purposes for Baby groups is building a support network. It doesn't take much imagination to wonder why a mothets of black and mixed race children might need a specific support network going forward.

Do you think elected people of colour as you put it have had the same experience as elected white people? Of course they haven’t. It’s no different to having women’s groups, or groups for those with disabilities or any other number of things.

How could a man fully understand the issues a women has, like the pay gap, or feeling safe etc. As a white women I have no understanding of what a black women has gone through, I don’t know what it is like to be discriminated against solely for my skin colour.

When people complain about minority groups having things for themselves for support etc it does feel like racism, maybe covertly but it still is there. You might not actually be a racist, you might empathise, not discriminate against someone because of their diversity but complaining about things like this shows a total lack of understanding. I know I am not racist, homophobic etc but I absolutely know that some people are and would not ever even think to suggest they should not have the opportunity to discuss this, socialise with people that they are comfortable with.