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To not be ok with race-based segregation?

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jbeble · 14/12/2023 09:00

In Boston USA, the Mayor holds parties for 'elected of colour' only. It's been a long road for racism, segregation, discrimination of minorities to be recognised and punished as the crimes that they are. What are we trying to achieve here?

AIBU to think that democratically elected representatives of the people should know better than to promote and/or support segregation?

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MooseBreath · 14/12/2023 16:07

@Myfabby Moving on isn't really feasible when my words are being continuously twisted to infer racism. Nothing I have said has been racist, and I have actually been preaching inclusivity and the right for all people to have access to spaces in groups where they feel safe.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 16:08

We're clearly going to have to agree to disagree here 😳

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 16:08

MooseBreath · 14/12/2023 16:07

@Myfabby Moving on isn't really feasible when my words are being continuously twisted to infer racism. Nothing I have said has been racist, and I have actually been preaching inclusivity and the right for all people to have access to spaces in groups where they feel safe.

It's true you're right. Plenty of twisting of your words has gone on. All lives matter. We get it.

Vuurhoutjies · 14/12/2023 16:09

Oliotya · 14/12/2023 16:05

They really do walk among us.
Imagine pretending that you think the solution to inequality is to take more from marginalized people.
Some white people are really scared of not being special any more. Terrifying.

Edited

Well, that's because they were never special. What are you talking about? It's not their fault that they were better, picked for more things, generated more wealth. It certainly had nothing to do with racism.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 16:11

Are some posters really so ignorant to not understand that sometimes, just sometimes, people from some groups need to talk about stuff that has happened/is happening/will happen with people like them?

Really?

I mean why are you so threatened by this? Why does it get under your skin so much?

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:11

I was just watching a video last week on Instagram about a black only sorority in the USA. They only let black girls in to it.

There seems to be a rise in " black only" groups in the USA anyway.

The moral question is:
Is this okay as they as a group were kept down in the past.

Is it not okay as there is no way on earth anyone would be allowed have a "whites only" sorority

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 16:12

Oliotya · 14/12/2023 16:05

They really do walk among us.
Imagine pretending that you think the solution to inequality is to take more from marginalized people.
Some white people are really scared of not being special any more. Terrifying.

Edited

This

MooseBreath · 14/12/2023 16:15

@Myfabby I would never use that slogan, as it has underlying racist intent. As a minority myself, I wouldn't want to stop anybody from accessing support from those with similar experiences. I would never say that my experiences are the same or worse than someone else's.

PaulaPocket · 14/12/2023 16:16

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 16:12

This

Yes. Indeed. THIS.

LusaBatoosa · 14/12/2023 16:16

MooseBreath · 14/12/2023 16:07

@Myfabby Moving on isn't really feasible when my words are being continuously twisted to infer racism. Nothing I have said has been racist, and I have actually been preaching inclusivity and the right for all people to have access to spaces in groups where they feel safe.

Not a single word was twisted. Your words were just repeated back to you and you didn’t like it. You said problematic things, have been told this and simply cannot accept it. Accountability is hard for some people.

So, you’re now lurking and saying snide inflammatory things. I mean, whatever floats your boat, I suppose.

Autumnalday · 14/12/2023 16:17

LusaBatoosa · 14/12/2023 10:45

Please explain how they are ‘different’ and cannot be compared to race.

Women's only spaces are usually for safety reasons eg women's only toilets, changing rooms etc. Every race can and should discuss racism because every race can be racist and be a victim of racism. I've faced racism from non-white people.

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 16:18

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:11

I was just watching a video last week on Instagram about a black only sorority in the USA. They only let black girls in to it.

There seems to be a rise in " black only" groups in the USA anyway.

The moral question is:
Is this okay as they as a group were kept down in the past.

Is it not okay as there is no way on earth anyone would be allowed have a "whites only" sorority

With all due respect, if you get your information solely from videos on Instagram, I would be very worried.

Bloomella · 14/12/2023 16:19

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 16:12

This

You both sound racist. You don't get to say what you what about non people of colour and expect nobody to come back at you.

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:20

@Myfabby with all due respect, I saw the video on Instagram, then I went online myself to verify it on another websites.

There are black only sororities in the USA.

I don't know if its ok.

I personally don't think it's really great to discriminate against any race.

PaintAngst · 14/12/2023 16:20

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:11

I was just watching a video last week on Instagram about a black only sorority in the USA. They only let black girls in to it.

There seems to be a rise in " black only" groups in the USA anyway.

The moral question is:
Is this okay as they as a group were kept down in the past.

Is it not okay as there is no way on earth anyone would be allowed have a "whites only" sorority

Is the answer to your 'moral question' really that difficult to grasp?

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 16:20

MooseBreath · 14/12/2023 16:15

@Myfabby I would never use that slogan, as it has underlying racist intent. As a minority myself, I wouldn't want to stop anybody from accessing support from those with similar experiences. I would never say that my experiences are the same or worse than someone else's.

Who is stopping anyone?
A social function for black people is stopping white people from accessing support?

Bloomella · 14/12/2023 16:20

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Vuurhoutjies · 14/12/2023 16:21

Autumnalday · 14/12/2023 16:17

Women's only spaces are usually for safety reasons eg women's only toilets, changing rooms etc. Every race can and should discuss racism because every race can be racist and be a victim of racism. I've faced racism from non-white people.

Not true. You are saying women's only spaces are about physical safety only. And that's not true. Yes, physical safety is one aspect. Emotional safety is another - many woman feel uncomfortable or uncertain sharing spaces, particularly intimate spaces, with men - whether that's a changing room, a bathroom or a doctor's office.

Other women's only events are not about physical safety at all. I attend women only networking events because it's an opportunity to talk to women about women' issues in a space that will not be judged by men or interrupted by men or dominated by men.

My friend attends women only swimming slots. Some of the women do so because of cultural and religious desires for "modesty". Others, like my friend, do so because they find that swimming with limited space means they are often rushed or pushed aside or interrupted when men are there.

Sometimes, women's only spaces are simply about joy and sharing being in a space with people who have the same experience as you.

MooseBreath · 14/12/2023 16:21

There is nothing problematic about people of all races being able to seek out support from those with similar backgrounds.

Bloomella · 14/12/2023 16:21

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 16:20

Who is stopping anyone?
A social function for black people is stopping white people from accessing support?

No it's just stopping equality and diversity.

LusaBatoosa · 14/12/2023 16:22

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:11

I was just watching a video last week on Instagram about a black only sorority in the USA. They only let black girls in to it.

There seems to be a rise in " black only" groups in the USA anyway.

The moral question is:
Is this okay as they as a group were kept down in the past.

Is it not okay as there is no way on earth anyone would be allowed have a "whites only" sorority

You know that Black only sororities started because we weren’t allowed in the white sororities, right? Same as HBCUs, Black people in America had to start their own because they weren’t allowed in the mainstream universities or were treated shockingly in them.

So, now they have these excellent institutions that they’ve created for themselves - many of which now admit white people.

Also, please stop with this ‘in the past’ nonsense. Black people are still experiencing racism today. You know this. I saw your post about the little girl at the swimming competition. Racism hasn’t vanished.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 16:22

B*loom
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So - I'm asking others what their problem is with black people discussing their shared experience as black people with no white people there, and IM RACIST?

Seriously?

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:22

@PaintAngst but why are black people allowed to leave white people out of groups?

Isnt that being racist?

Haven't we moved on from segregation?

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 16:23

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:20

@Myfabby with all due respect, I saw the video on Instagram, then I went online myself to verify it on another websites.

There are black only sororities in the USA.

I don't know if its ok.

I personally don't think it's really great to discriminate against any race.

Are there white only sororities?

I'll help you since it's not on Insta. Read those for a start. You are welcome ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_United_States_college_fraternities_and_sororities

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/10/21/sororities-fraternities-are-finally-confronting-their-racist-past/

Racism in United States college fraternities and sororities - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_United_States_college_fraternities_and_sororities

MooseBreath · 14/12/2023 16:23

@Myfabby I have stated that I support the function for black people in this instance. However, a large-scale social function based around politics should be inclusive of all races.