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To not be ok with race-based segregation?

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jbeble · 14/12/2023 09:00

In Boston USA, the Mayor holds parties for 'elected of colour' only. It's been a long road for racism, segregation, discrimination of minorities to be recognised and punished as the crimes that they are. What are we trying to achieve here?

AIBU to think that democratically elected representatives of the people should know better than to promote and/or support segregation?

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Myfabby · 14/12/2023 16:23

Bloomella · 14/12/2023 16:21

No it's just stopping equality and diversity.

😂

Bloomella · 14/12/2023 16:23

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LusaBatoosa · 14/12/2023 16:23

Autumnalday · 14/12/2023 16:17

Women's only spaces are usually for safety reasons eg women's only toilets, changing rooms etc. Every race can and should discuss racism because every race can be racist and be a victim of racism. I've faced racism from non-white people.

Again, already addressed, so RTFT. I simply will not repeat myself for you.

Bloomella · 14/12/2023 16:24

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 16:23

😂

More passive aggression from you.

LusaBatoosa · 14/12/2023 16:25

Bloomella · 14/12/2023 16:19

You both sound racist. You don't get to say what you what about non people of colour and expect nobody to come back at you.

non people of colour

This thread has jumped the shark. 🤣🤣🤣

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 16:25

Jesus Christ Bloom you have used the word lynched too

Great work

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:25

@LusaBatoosa black women weren't allowed in white sororities back in the 1950s. That's a long time ago.

Yet black only sororities still exist today.
White only sororities do not exist today.

I never said that racism against black people doesn't happen.

The theme on this thread is should black people be allowed to exclude white people from groups.

Isn't that also being racist ?

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 16:25

Bloomella · 14/12/2023 16:24

More passive aggression from you.

Sorry my white Lord and Master with only 5 posts on MN only on this thread. At least I'm not frothing and pitchfork not out yet...
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Bloomella · 14/12/2023 16:26

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Myfabby · 14/12/2023 16:26

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 16:25

Jesus Christ Bloom you have used the word lynched too

Great work

same cohort of people. Interchangeable names.

I have time today😂

Bloomella · 14/12/2023 16:27

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Yes Mam😂😂

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:29

Imagine if a politician said that "Im going to have a meeting today to celebrate white peoples achievements. Only white people are allowed"

gotomomo · 14/12/2023 16:32

I think it is a fine line - for elected officials to hold meetings to explore issues around race isn't an I issue, holding a segregated social event I'm not comfortable with.

Holding an informative baby group aimed at the specific needs of a certain demographic is fine, (eg breastfeeding, vegetarian, low income, disabled parents) whereas a general social based baby group where melanin in your skin is a deciding factor seems wrong because babies needs aren't different because their mum is brown quite frankly, haven't we fought against segregation?

Our toddler group is pretty diverse ethnically and this is good

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 16:33

Can anyone white tell me their problem not being invited to a party where black people are sharing their life experience against a history of oppression and present of every day racism?

What exactly are you missing by not being there? And what value could our white wisdom possibly add to the event?

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:33

I was just reading more about the incident. It says that she accidentally invited seven white people as well, then she took back the invitations from them because they were white

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 16:34

Jesus this thread is actually embarrassing

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 16:34

All those poor hurt white feelz Confused

ghostyslovesheets · 14/12/2023 16:34

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:22

@PaintAngst but why are black people allowed to leave white people out of groups?

Isnt that being racist?

Haven't we moved on from segregation?

Because black people (and gay people and disabled people and women) are entitled to have spaces to discuss issues that impact on them specifically because they are BLACK - wtf would a white person bring to the table?

It must be exhausting being a black woman on MN with endless 'defend yourself' (or rather defend the actions of another black woman thousands of miles away because you are both black) - you shouldn;t have to constantly react to micro aggressions and outright shite like this - you know - which is WHY black people need spaces away from white people - to fucking breath and share experiences without the fucking whataboutery.

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 16:35

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:33

I was just reading more about the incident. It says that she accidentally invited seven white people as well, then she took back the invitations from them because they were white

are you already done with reading about white only sororities so quickly?

Queucumber · 14/12/2023 16:37

I have to draw your attention to this terribly divisive group. They’ve been excluding people for years? These liberal extremists …

https://www.thewi.org.uk/

National Federation of Women's Institutes

https://www.thewi.org.uk/

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:40

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LusaBatoosa · 14/12/2023 16:41

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:25

@LusaBatoosa black women weren't allowed in white sororities back in the 1950s. That's a long time ago.

Yet black only sororities still exist today.
White only sororities do not exist today.

I never said that racism against black people doesn't happen.

The theme on this thread is should black people be allowed to exclude white people from groups.

Isn't that also being racist ?

Some sororities only started admitting Black women as recently as 2013. Not the 50’s. If you’d actually done the research you claim, you’d know that. Do you think that a historically racist institution that has only recently started admitting BW and has a minuscule percentage of them is a welcoming place for Black women?

Where do you think they’d be more comfortable - in the sororities they’ve created and developed for decades or in a sorority where they are one Black person in hundreds of white people, many of whom are racist (this is also fact, you can research the prevalence of racism and racist incidents in sororities).

Also, as I previously stated and you ignored, many historically Black sororities and HBCUs now admit non Black students. They opened up considerably more quickly than the white institutions did.

You said, multiple times, that Black people had suffered racism ‘in the past’. I responded that no, it’s not ‘in the past’. It’s very much in the present. And if members of a marginalised group want a safe space, why shouldn’t they have one?

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:42

@ghostyslovesheets you said black people are allowed to have spaces to talk about things that affect them.

What we are talking about on this thread is people who were discriminated against in their place of work, due to their race.

The mayor invited a group of people who work together, then she uninvited the white people.

That is not "black people having a space to talk".

She literally uninvited people just because they were white

Neitheronethingnortheother · 14/12/2023 16:42

gotomomo · 14/12/2023 16:32

I think it is a fine line - for elected officials to hold meetings to explore issues around race isn't an I issue, holding a segregated social event I'm not comfortable with.

Holding an informative baby group aimed at the specific needs of a certain demographic is fine, (eg breastfeeding, vegetarian, low income, disabled parents) whereas a general social based baby group where melanin in your skin is a deciding factor seems wrong because babies needs aren't different because their mum is brown quite frankly, haven't we fought against segregation?

Our toddler group is pretty diverse ethnically and this is good

whereas a general social based baby group where melanin in your skin is a deciding factor seems wrong because babies needs aren't different because their mum is brown

Black babies/infants are 3 times more likely to die than white babies/infants.

And the child mortality rate is rising for black babies whilst it is remaining steady for white babies.

So can you explain how this translates into the melanin in your skin not being a factor in the way parents of babies need support?